Hailstoned

51 minutes ago, codfishsnowman said:

Pouring finally with some sleep mixed in at times...38f

And the old man is snoring?

18 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

I will assure you Ant…it WILL GO BACK!  Cyclical patterns…remember the 80’s?  I do(lived through it growing up….you might be too young ) Very little snow for the most part for years on end. 2-4 and 3-6 was a big storm for more than a decade. 

And That’s why I blocked Allsnow..and so glad I did.   So expect a weenie soon…from a guy who lives 150-200 miles south of most of interior SNE.

NOPE.

1 hour ago, WinterWolf said:

There’s nothing telling except it’s a shit winter.  They happen. Sometimes back to back too. Unfortunate and lousy, but we will recover in future winters.  
 

At least it was more than twice as good here so far as last year, but I realize that doesn’t apply to a lot of areas.  And It still isn’t anything good here, but small victories is all we have at this point. 

Then Winter must be having digestive issues. Been out a lot in the outhouse in recent years.

42 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

That’s always the case though…regardless of bad winter performances. 

March, yes, but not so much February. Also telling is sap season has "migrated" to February in recent years, as opposed to its traditional timing in March.

28 minutes ago, UnitedWx said:

Hate to admit it, but I'm ready to stick a fork in it. Certainly wouldn't mind a big one the beginning of March, but I don't expect anything at the moment. I haven't suffered with a lack of snow compared to some, but the stop start nature of these winters is what starts to annoy me. The old car community is stirring as well, like they feel winter is just about done.

Birds are also stirring. This weekend despite the chill, there was lots of what might be labeled, "spring anticipatory activity" along with accompanying bird calls.

37 minutes ago, ChangeofSeasonsWX said:

That's right I forgot about  Dec 1981 that was another big one here. March 1984 turned to rain so we had about 3 inches of cement and yeah Feb 1989 was big on the Cape for sure.

Feb. 88 featured a good one out here in the B-Town/Amherst area.

1 hour ago, Damage In Tolland said:

It always amazes me the reactions the confused emoji gets when the poster is confused , and someone clicks the emoji to let the poster know that the poster was confused by his / her interpretation of data . Lol 

1. Emojis haven't the ability to get "confused" unless AI has advanced in leaps and bounds I am not aware of.

2. "Confused" being used three times in one sentence points precisely to the source of the confusion.

10.5" final, Monson, MA.

7 hours ago, ORH_wxman said:

Whats funny is that 1969 has continually showed up as an objective analog on the ensembles. That year did have a huge turnaround that started with the Xmas night storm (though it wasn't good for a chunk of Maine because they got warm sectored)

What's different is I remember on Christmas night 1969, walking out on a pond near Boston to observe conditions in advent of this major tempest. Back then it would have been shocking to have open waters so late in December... but now...

4 hours ago, jbenedet said:

Says the guy who eats squirrels.

And apples and oranges, apparently.

36 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

Nah…not extinct just cyclical changes, it’ll come back into style at some point, we can bet on that. 

Yup. And so will the Passenger Pigeon.

56 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Folks may need to admit the climate's changed, simply put. 

On 11/29/2023 at 12:28 PM, tamarack said:

Elmwood produces more warmth when one tries to split it than when it's in the stove.  About the only wood worse is balsam poplar.  In a lunchtime discussion about burning green wood among loggers long ago, one comment was, "You couldn't afford the oil it would take to burn Balm o' Gilead!" 

Two couplets from a poem about firewood:

Elmwood reeks of muck and mold,
Even the very coals are cold.

Ash wood green or ash wood dry,
A king shall warm his slippers by.

"Stick to your long-johns until your long-johns stick to you"

4 hours ago, weathafella said:

The only ones I distinctly remember are 2002 (good winter followed) and 2014 (best snow winter for eastern areas in sne on record followed) but was 2014 a white thanksgiving?    They aren’t common.

And of course, Thanksgiving, 1989 with about 4" of powder falling day of, followed by 3-4 weeks of epic cold to where I jogged on ice on a section of the Chicopee River. But with the New Year, the winter more or less fizzled out.

46 minutes ago, tamarack said:

The nonsense is a society where a machine gun is at the beck and call of every warped, troubled soul.

This is false.  Since the mid 1980s it has been extremely difficult to acquire a legal full-auto weapon.  I'm not familiar with all the red tape but it includes a deep-dive character check and a stiff fee to ATF, among other things.  That said:

1.  I've no idea whether this shooter's weapon was full-auto or semi-auto.  It looks like a tactical rifle (a.k.a. "assault weapon"), one on which various attachments - telescopic scope, night-vision scope, laser aim point, rangefinder, etc - can be quickly installed/removed.
2.  A semi-auto with a 30-shot clip might be more deadly than a full-auto, though this trained former military man may have sufficient work with full-auto to hold the barrel down.  A friend used to own, legally, a full-auto mini-14 and a 40-shot clip.  I got to fire a full clip once, and on 3-shot burst I was unable to hold the muzzle down, such that shots 2,3 were off-target high.
3.  My Remington Model 76 pump in .30-06 is probably far more powerful than what the killer was shooting, but my rifle's max is 5 cartridges not 30, and the small but fast .223 that's most common on his kind of weapon is plenty deadly and likely able to penetrate the Kevlar safety vest.

Correct-- "machine gun" is a misrepresentation but the legality of auto/semi-auto weapons and the large magazines allowed produces more or less the same horrific results in mass shootings.

44 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

Horrific.  
 

This country has got to get very tough again on crime….give the police all their power back,  and all their abilities back.  If not….then unfortunately the Wild West will be making a big come back.  

The "Wild West" when it was just 6 shooters wasn't nearly so wild as now...

26 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

Ok..let’s stop that nonsense talk now. We don’t know what the hell is happening.  Or What the motive is? So let’s not start that BS. 

The nonsense is a society where a machine gun is at the beck and call of every warped, troubled soul.

5 hours ago, Modfan2 said:

Nice recap, here’s my limited experience 

Gloria 85 - Remember many trees down, no school for a few days

 Bob 91 - was working in Rhinebeck NY, not much there, mostly SE Mass Storm.

Irene 11 - some tree damage in NE CT, power down for 4 days.

Sandy- lost power for 4 days in NE CT, some limbs down

Matthew - First S FL Hurricane, 5” of rain, some palm frawns down, power down for 36 hrs

Irma - 7” of rain, power down for 4 hours (FL&P flocking rocks) 

Dorian - That monster Sat 75 miles to my east in the Bahamas, ready to send the family north to safety.

Michael - Pan Handle work recovery, got to experience true CAT 5 aftermaths, breathtakingly sad and amazing.

Ian - fringed but still got 5” of rain and r plenty of yard debris. Peace out of FL after that

From the memory banks:

1953: Dim recollection of accompanying my dad around the yard picking up scraps of paper and the like fallen from the sky in the aftermath of the ORH tornado.

Carol, 1954: Going to the car in the garage with my mother to catch news on the car radio, having lost power. Then late afternoon/early evening in the calm sunny aftermath of the hurricane, indulging in my lifetime love of throwing by picking up a blown off shingle and giving it a fling, and being reprimanded by my dad who for some reason thought it might be used again. Or maybe he didn't approve of me  littering.

Edna: A bird being violently flung into a window-- or was that Carol?

Donna, 1960: Recall there being a very cool, fall like air mass in the days before the storm. Very heavy pre-rains, September 12, morning of, and the roaring gales when the rains let up and the core of the storm arrived, mid afternoon. Vividly recall the overwhelming scent of fresh downed trees that permeated the air in the storm's aftermath.

Esther, 1961: The early-emergent hype machine was on for this one due to its intensity in the south Atlantic. Older friends of mine regaled me with tales of previous tempests such as the Great Atlantic hurricane of 1944, warning of what to expect from Esther.The weather was unseasonably warm and sultry, and I recall being fascinated by the high cloud banding effect the afternoon before the storm, and how excited I was as a pre-band arrived mid evening with gusty winds and heavy rain. But little did I know that the slow approach of the storm and its indecisive looping was to make for a let down with but lackluster gusts in the Boston suburbs where I lived. But it did do a nice job of carving a piece off of Nantucket, to this day known as Esther island.

Belle, 1976: Blew its load down Long Island way; nothing up here but for sun and clouds, breezy tropical conditions.

Gloria, 1985: Not unlike Esther, Gloria was a formidable hurricane on its approach from the south Atlantic, and the ever evolving hype machine was all over it. I had the great good luck the day before the storm to fly in a small plane down from Vermont to Boston, able to observe the high overcast at close hand the entire trip. The storm itself with much greater forward speed than Esther, was pretty comparable to Donna, though without the heavy pre-rains. But like Donna, the winds suddenly coming up in the early afternoon with the first casualty a neighbor's apple tree split by what seemed a relatively modest gust-maybe it got taken by surprise. But the gusts to hurricane force the rest of the afternoon were impressive, perhaps most in particular to see spray lifted off a small protected lake near our home.

Bob, 1991: I chased for this one, down to the Cape and over the canal to a park not too far the other side. The hurricane was impressive, but for full impact I probably should have located to the Buzzards Bay area; seems I was a little ways to the right side of the eye. But as others have noted the back side gales were very notable, such as I witnessed driving back towards central MA up a near deserted I 495. Here in Monson about 4" of rain fell, with the wind not much of a factor.

Some frozen mini-peas mixed in with this latest wet burst.

8 hours ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

12k NAM doesn't look like an absolute rainout for this weekend... won't be great of course, but hopefully my son's disc golf tourney at Maple Hill can happen.

We play year round in all conditions, so it likely will--

Totally understand that A.C. is necessary for many. But it involves putting oneself in a chilly summer prison-- the aftertaste of grey, dull February which you never quite escape. If you can, fans, breezes, curtains, tree shade-- anything but A.C.

Pretty good light show, Wilbraham. And some small hail mixed in with the downpour.

1 hour ago, weatherwiz said:

No...I don't believe there really is a correlation between what happens there and what happens here. There are many reasons for this, but one striking one is just the atmospheric profile. That region is prone to high-end severe weather events because of the elevated mixed-layer, which tends to weaken with eastward extent. 

Some say there is a connection between what happens in Michigan the day before but I think that is voodoo. That just came about b/c of 1953. I mean I guess you could look at our "bigger" events and then see what happened in Michigan the day before but I think it's a unrelated-correlation. 

But still got to wonder if there's not a "spillover" effect where extreme and repeating patterns of tornado outbreaks in the Midwest and South such as seem to be setting up this year might increase the chances for anomalous severe weather outbreaks in our region when conditions become climatologically favorable (late spring). 1995 (Great Barrington) was nationally, a very active year. 1973 (West Stockbridge) was according to Wikipedia, the most active tornadic year across the Midwest and South to that time. Of course much fresher in memory is 2011 and the extreme outbreaks across the South and Midwest that preceded June 1 here in Western Massachusetts.

17 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

Lol…what is funny and ironic is that it wasn’t long ago that the mantra was they’d never recover…it was gonna become a dust bowl/drought region.  Funny how it all seems to balance out after all…

"Balance" as in lurching from one extreme to another.

55 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

But the 'marginal set ups' are ending up warmer, too -

Seems the models may be too cold then, perhaps.  

We know the GFS is anyway. 

At the risk of indignifying certain "clergy" on here, might this possible cold bias of the models be due to their calculations not fully accounting for the physics of our warming climate? Just a question, not a pronouncement.