Baroclinic Zone

Guys...we're playing with settings. The only way to test everything is when the peak traffic occurs.

Still funny.

I wasn't really trying to re-invent the wheel here. There are alot of folks in subforums who either don't want to or are scared to post in the main forum. Plus, we can get into mby stuff here because (just like every other area) the ma has it's own nuances with its climo and we can really get into detail with both winter storms and severe in our specific regions.

Mets, appreciate the answers to winterymix's model questions. I've slowly learned over time to better understand what the models are doing with specific setups. The nam is definitely superior with CAD events. I always put more stock in the nam's handling of the surface and 850 temps when flow is from the n & ne in the lower levels.

Euro struggles a bit in the lr with split flow. Especially with vorts in the southern stream. It catches up and outperforms the other globals once we are at the day 5 range but beyond that it's important to understand that it likes to move things out of the sw slower and that has a large effect on the evolution down the line.

These obs of the nam and euro are just what I've seen over the least 5 years or so. Please correct me if I'm posting bad info here.

To Bob Chill, DTK and WxUSAF: Thank you for the collegial responses.

To DTK: You have a lot to teach us. Regarding frequent and evolving updates to model biases,

perhaps you can share favorite links at the weather.gov site?

To ETauntonMA: This place can be rude. Just recently, during a debate here about the relative

worth of the NAM vs. EURO for the weekend suppressed storm, someone here stated that the

discussion was "over my head". As the two METS mentioned above prove, when one is secure in

their knowledge, they can maintain a collegial tone.

I think having one in a subforum is a good idea. Even if it mirrors one in the main thread.

This is helpful

That's why I said also. I agree that this is a great topic.

Also, there is a whole forum to ask any questions you may have.

http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/forum/30-meteorology-101/

I hope Miser is ressurected soon

After that accident he'll be Robo Miser

Love it.

December 13th, 2007 rakeage. 12" snowstorm.

This storm did not suck imby. I think I ended up with 19".

Yeah and some of knew it was going to do that, but yet we still had all these people freaking out. I think CT_blizz asked about 12 different times in the span of one hour if he was going to dry slot, lol.

Well historically, he did. 14" and done. This was the storm that broke that camels back.

2001 or 2011?

I remember being very jealous of that inflow band you guys were getting in SNE... but you were due for a widespread whopper like that.

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Weenie radar image from January 12, 2011 @ 3am.

JoMo, I wish you, your family, and your community all my thoughts and prayers. You've been through hell and back.

I'm just getting up to speed on this. Just devastating news.

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skin messed it all up

Your posts are all jacked up. This stuff pops up in almost every quoted reply you do.

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Makes your posts difficult to read.

Weenie Hill in Tolland you mean. Weenie Ridge is just north of me.

I was back at Cornell for that one in Dec 5-6, 2002...I was back for the Christmas 2002 storm at least. N CT got the jackpot too in the Nov 27, 2002 system, I think BOX has a map of that one too.

Kevin must have drawn up that map.

Weenie Ridge FTW

The coastal front actually set up over SE MA in that one...it was a cold storm, usually those CFs set up closer to 128 or even 495 that early in the season. Because of where the CF set up, your area actually got some enhancement.

Then there was another area of ocean enhancement on the north shore where Peabody got like 3 feet.

yeah i was just going back over the PNS. that was a ridiculous storm.

That's why I said impressive overall. Seems like the majority of the area saw 12-36"

bob....did you flip to rain in that?

Not that I recall. TAN recorded 2.07" at the ASOS for L/E. It was a 2 footer storm for me living in downtown Middleborough. Very impressive widespread system.

December 5-7 2003