Jeff Grann

12 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

This is what I hated when I played little league. We should be expecting this every year.

Spring sucks in our area

Spring is a month away. When I grew up on SI in the 70's,nobody was worried about baseball field conditions In February 

11 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said:

We were told by someone on Thursday it would be an isolated inch at best. I guess we are isolated and are better than best?

Around 3 here in Cornwall by Storm King

19 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said:

31/30, here we go

Hit 32 in Cornwall on Hudson before 1am and took until after 4:30 to hit freezing in West Point only 4 miles South. That being said it's becoming a skating rink on all untreated surfaces at West Point in last half hour

59 minutes ago, George001 said:

I’m ready to panic about the long term winter outlook. I’m bailing on my winter forecast, based on the long term outlook with the polar vortex continuing to deepen into January I don’t see how we get over 70 inches of snow this winter, which is what I forecasted. 

Best way for you to forecast in the future is to take your gut feelings and go 180 degrees opposite. You may indeed wind up as one of the most accurate on the board..

13 minutes ago, BrianW said:

Welcome to the tropics. 77 here under full sun and 80 looks possible. 

Yes. I'm sure you will enjoy daily 80 degree weather all winter long like Havana. 

9 hours ago, snowman21 said:

It's an older crowd in here, probably a lot of folks in their 50s/60s. Eat dinner at 4:45. In bed by 8. And like it sunny and 70 (a.k.a. CoC weather). The cold makes their joints ache, and snow is just a pain in the ass for them now. Classic snowbirds.

LOL....Our generation is still at work after 4:45 and after the 1-2 hr commute from the city home, dinner is after 7 for many. We also walk the dog after dinner and then sit down in our recliners and unwind by watching a baseball or hockey game before bed...A foreign concept to those immersed in Tic Tok and what Khloe Kardashian is doing all day.

49 minutes ago, hudsonvalley21 said:

Maybe my Davis is on steroids but 1.88 before midnight and another 0.79 for an event total of 2.67. Interested to see how the totals around stack up. 

That's close to what I got in Cornwall on Hudson.

37 minutes ago, JustinRP37 said:

This is a very poor definition to go by because even in our hottest climates, plants will go dormant during the dry season. Cold temperature is not the only thing that forces biological life into dormancy, dry seasons do too as do the hot seasons. Take a look at the list of climates on wikipedia and see which one matches up with NYC "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Köppen_climate_classification"

Nothing went dormant in SW Florida that I noticed in Winter besides the bugs. Things may have grown a bit slower but all my tropical trees and plants were still vibrant

26 minutes ago, dieselbug said:

You skipped the Florida keys!  Places like Key West, Marathon etc. are purely tropical.

 

Meanwhile it's 80/70 here, still some peeks of sun with the front just to the west. Front looks to be crawling eastward.

Didn't easily find climate data for those small locations. That's why I chose San Juan

8 minutes ago, Jeff Grann said:

Ok. So we will lump the Equator to NYC as tropical/subtropical and North of there to the Pole as Arctic or sub Arctic. Sounds simple

I would even reluctantly accept the logic that the subtropics begin South of the line where most everything isn't dormant or dead  during Winter.

7 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

people think of the word "tropical" as palm trees and sand.    Doesn't really mean that when you're talking about climate.  

Ok. So we will lump the Equator to NYC as tropical/subtropical and North of there to the Pole as Arctic or sub Arctic. Sounds simple

5 minutes ago, bluewave said:

This area is now at the northern edge of the cfa humid subtropical climate zone. It has been shifting north with each 10 year update.  This climate zone covers a large portion of the Eastern US. 

It is not humid here from October through April and usually May. I am not arguing summer humidity comparisons but clearly, tropical and subtropical climates have narrow ranges in temperatures between winter and Summer. We do not.Nobody walks outside when wind chills are -10 and believes we live in any sort of climate description containing the word tropical.

 

 

1 minute ago, Jeff Grann said:

I'll just redefine the shoreline of the East Coast a desert. What the hell. ..The beaches are full of sand. There is nothing tropical, subtropical of any sort when you take our yearly average high/low temperature as the standard for our climate

Tropical:

San Juan PR. Every month averages between 83-88/ 73-78

Sub Tropical: Ft.Myers

72-90/ 57-77

New York City

39-85/ 26-69

Just now, Jeff Grann said:

No. I gave you the dictionary definition of subtropical. We are not a region adjacent to the tropics. Unless you refine 1200 miles as adjacent.

I'll just redefine the shoreline of the East Coast a desert. What the hell. ..The beaches are full of sand. There is nothing tropical, subtropical of any sort when you take our yearly average high/low temperature as the standard for our climate

42 minutes ago, BxEngine said:

Nobody is broadbrushing anything. These are actual definitions. Thats it. 

No. I gave you the dictionary definition of subtropical. We are not a region adjacent to the tropics. Unless you refine 1200 miles as adjacent.

8 hours ago, eduggs said:

I don't believe you are correct about the "Subtropics."

Pure tropical climates are those in the Caribbean where temps are stable all year round 80- 90 by day/ 70-80 at night. So basically people here are broad brushing subtropical to the point that you are equating our yearly climate to South Florida which is absurd. You want to say we are experiencing stretches of S FL humidity...Have at it. But they don't get a cold frontal passage from mid June till October. Not 1 cool, dry day the entire Summer

7 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

California is running out of water and the "record" crop yields are being destroyed, ask any farmer in the midwest, they are leaving the industry in droves.

 

Doesn't change the fact that with the longer growing season the planet is experiencing record high food production. And as far as where you live there are still months of bare trees and frozen ground  incapable of anything growing. That is not subtropical no matter how you spin it

7 hours ago, eduggs said:

I don't believe you are correct about the "Subtropics." Your statement about "scientific" predictions during the 1970s is pretty broad-brush and misleading too. 

I lived on Sanibel for 3 years. Worked with boat captains and Meteorologists. Being from NY I was fascinated by the different weather down there. It was made clear to me that Florida had a Subtropical climate from just below the Tampa Bay area . North of there was not due to the  continental influence on the weather. I saw the difference especially in overnight lows . As far as the 70's, I still have the Time Magazine that was devoted to ”The next ice age cometh"?. It was very clear how NOAA and the scientific community we're leaning back then.

4 hours ago, Rjay said:

Enough of this garbage.  Why does everything have to be political?  There are blizzards and even below zero temps in the south.  

The South is not subtropical by definition until you get past Central Florida. Nobody mentioned politics here. But if you think science isn't politically driven in 2021 I have a bridge to sell you in lower Manhattan. Science also predicted a cooling planet in the late 70's, warning of shorter growing seasons and world food shortages . Reality is we warmed and have record crop yields. Science is right until it's wrong. Has happened over and over throughout history.

2 hours ago, rclab said:

 

 Good afternoon JG. Your post reaction is understandable, however there are nuances to the term. Palm trees may be a physical manifestation of tropical as are dews. We are experiencing sustained heightened dews in a calendar time and geographic locations that gives pause. BW, as many other fine posters in our sub forums neither hypes or sensationalizes. Data and demonstration of such is their deep throat. As always ….

Definition of subtropical: Relating to or characteristic of the regions adjacent to or bordering on the tropics........Unless you consider Central NJ the tropics, we are not a subtropical climate regardless of humid Summer's. The subtropics do not experience single digit temps or blizzards. Another example of redefining normally accepted definitions to push the world is ending agenda.

1 hour ago, bluewave said:

Continuation of our new subtropical climate theme. The dew point at JFK reached 70° again today. This was the 64th day so far this year. All the top years for 70° or higher dew points have occurred since 2016.

https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/plotting/auto/?_wait=no&q=161&network=NY_ASOS&zstation=JFK&var=max_dwpf&dir=aoa&thres=70&month=all&year=2021&dpi=100&_fmt=js

#1…..89 days….2018

#2….77 days…..2019

#3….68 days…..2016

#4….64 days…..2021…2020
 

 

Subtropical? LOL. Let me know when Palm trees can survive a NYC Winter. Subtropical is not defined as Summer dews. It is a year round climate . 

18 minutes ago, weatherwiz said:

Outside of snow winter is pointless...it's stupid. It's depressing how short our warm season is up here and it's even more depressing when you factor in the length of day changes. And how many good snow storms to we really get a winter anyways? and honestly...outside of the weather aspect and what drives us to love snow...snow makes winter even worse as it creates more hassle than it's worth. There is zero enjoyment being outside in the winter...ZERO.

People can say what they want about the heat and the summer but at least outside of peak heating hours, being outside is tolerable and at least there is the beach/ocean to go to. Where do you go in the winter....ummm nowhere...maybe you're lucky and have a fireplace or a wood stove...but that is still INSIDE.  

Winter's you have to wear all this clothing and long sleeve crap and if you get dressed before you do your hair...you're totally screwed.

Unless it is a brutally cold windy winter day/ evening, I'd take the cold any day over high heat and humidity. I have a large inground  pool to boot. While I like the mild Spring and Fall weather better than sub freezing cold, the disgusting 90/70 days we were slapped with much of the Summer provide no enjoyment whatsoever. Cutting the lawn twice a week for 90 min at a time with gnats swarming your face and eyes and other bugs attracted to your sweat just sucks . The dog doesn't want to take a decent walk, nor do I in a putrid air mass under a Burger King french fry lamp sun. Winter is peaceful to take hikes and ski. There aren't annoying motorcycles riding by or people with windows open blasting loud music. You are right about the snow. You don't have to deal with it that often so unlike in Summer when the pool, the garden watering and the lawn are daily chores Id' rather not do after work, Winter I pull into the garage , wife makes dinner and I take the dog for a quiet walk. I then sit and relax watching a hockey game in front of the NG stove until bedtime. That doesn't suck

3 minutes ago, nycwinter said:

unless you was in the mountains

Not there either . You just have much higher ratios with altitude.

9 minutes ago, RippleEffect said:

Imagine this was a snowstorm! God we’d be talking about yards in some places!

It's physically impossible to have this kind of moisture in winter here

2 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

That being said the surge won’t be nearly as bad as Sandy. As others pointed out the driver for the surge there was the huge size and track which funneled water into LI Sound and NY Harbor. But if this starts really trending west toward Sandy Hook then NYC really does have to start worrying. 

Sandy made landfall down around Atlantic City a hundred miles south of New York Harbor if this thing came right into New York Harbor or say into Sandy Hook it would not need to be as strong as Sandy to cause similar flooding into Manhattan. It is also very slow moving and will have multiple high tides that will not be able to go back out if that is the case