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45 minutes ago, Northern Foothills Snowman said:

I don’t know the ages of members on this site but I would venture to say many were not around in 1993.I remember it as we didn’t receive any snow that winter before March.We had warm temperatures in February too. 

Yeah, anyone under the age of 35 either wasn't born yet or doesn't remember the winter of 1993 and the years leading up to that winter. I did measure an inch of snow on February 26, 1993, but prior to that, I had gone more than three years without seeing accumulating snow in Rockingham County. As bad as this current streak of snowless winters has been, the early 1990s were worse in this part of NC. 

20 hours ago, Northern Foothills Snowman said:

I may be wrong but I still believe winter weather will still happen in NC before winter is over and not just the mountains. 

I agree. My area averages around an inch of snow in March, and as recently as 2018, there was a dusting of snow as late as April 7th. There were also three separate snow events in March of that year, totaling close to 10" for the month, with 3" of that coming on March 24 and 25th. Today is only February 15th, and we still have six weeks to work with. I know the ensambles and other long-range guidance do not look good at the moment, but just a couple of weeks ago, these same forecast tools were showing a great pattern for the period we are in now, and look how that turned out. I'm with you; I think many areas outside the mountains will see some winter weather before this season is over. 

5 minutes ago, wncsnow said:

It's not a huge hit but I would take it in a heartbeat

Looks like a lot more coming after that.

3 hours ago, NorthHillsWx said:

I do not know how to break out of the pattern we’re in or just accept the climate is not what it was 30 years ago or heck, even 10 years ago. 

30 years ago, it wasn't much different in my area than what we are experiencing now. That was when I experienced the longest streak of snowless winters in my lifetime. It was a terrible period of time for snow lovers around here. 

31 minutes ago, wncsnow said:

Yep. Most folks in the foothills and western piedmont are about a month away from their longest snowless streak ever. 

It's still more than a year away in my area before that happens. Looking back at my records, Eden went from December 13th, 1989, to February 26th, 1993, without accumulating snow. 3 years, 2 months, and 14 days.

11 minutes ago, UnionCountyNCWX said:

Maybe it's progged differently between the run hours, but that snow outside of the mountains/foothills is falling into 35-38 degree weather if not really close to 40.

WB maps are showing surface temperatures near freezing during the heaviest precipitation. 

11 minutes ago, UnionCountyNCWX said:

216 heavy snow in the NC northern mountains, maybe some foothills. I40 North/west of Greensboro essentially.

It would be a nice event for the foothills and NW Piedmont of NC.

3 minutes ago, olafminesaw said:

o me GFS looks much better through 168. Better stream interaction. 

I agree, this should be a good run. 

27 minutes ago, StantonParkHoya said:

Feb 21st has a sun elevation equivalent to October. The sun is just strong, and lower elevations like the triangle have a tough time accruing ice by then unless it is anomalously cold.

One of the worst ice storms I ever experienced occurred February 27, 2003. I had around 1" of ice accumulation from freezing rain at my location; some other parts of Rockingham County had even more. High temperatures were in the low to mid-60s in the days leading up to the storm, and  the lowest temperature I recorded on the 27th was 28.4.  

1 hour ago, wncsnow said:

It isn't 1960 anymore. Look at the Atlantic SST. 

Higher SSTs may be more of an asset than a liability when it comes to winter storms along the east coast.

Climate Change and Extreme Snow in the U.S.

Conditions that influence the severity of eastern U.S. snowstorms include warmer-than-average ocean surface temperatures in the Atlantic. These can lead to exceptionally high amounts of moisture flowing into a storm and contribute to greater intensification of the storm. Unusually high ocean surface temperatures in the Atlantic were a contributing factor to the February 5–6, 2010, snowstorm dubbed “snowmaggedon” that hit Washington, DC, with 17.8 inches of snow at Reagan National Airport—the fourth highest total storm amount for the city at the time.

Also, some recent research has shown that increasing surface temperatures and reductions in Arctic sea ice may produce atmospheric circulation patterns that are favorable for winter storm development in the eastern United States. 

In addition, studies have shown that natural variability associated with the presence of El Niño conditions has a strong influence on the incidence of severe snowstorms in the eastern United States. Based on an analysis of the top 100 snowstorms in six regions east of the Rocky Mountains, scientists found that severe snowstorms are approximately twice as likely to occur in the Northeast and Southeast regions during years when a moderate to strong El Niño is present as compared to years when neutral conditions exist.

The 0z GFS is showing some love for much of NC on Valentine's Day. 

18z GFS. 

2 minutes ago, coastal front said:

Euro with a day 9  BOMB

Looks nice.

5 minutes ago, GaWx said:

DT actually includes all of NC as Mid-Atlantic. For example, Charlotte is included. Also, I didn’t know that WPC includes NC in it. What a difference in what they consider SE vs what the SE includes here.

DT isn't always consistant, so I'm not surprised that he has conflicting definitions of what he considers to be the Mid-Atlantic. In the Facebook post I linked to he defines it this way: "So to answer the question directly when we say that term MIDDLE ATLANTIC REGION wxrsk is referring to the northern third of North Carolina ...all of Virginia - except maybe the Southeast corner-- the eastern half OF West Virginia... All of Maryland & Delaware ...all of New Jersey and most of Pennsylvania ... the southern third of New York State... NYC & Long Island."

1 hour ago, WinstonSalemArlington said:

DT and many other people include North Carolina into the definition of “southern Mid-Atlantic.” 

This is correct. DT considers the northern 1/3 of NC as being part of the Mid-Atlantic.
 

WHAT DOES WXRISK MEAN WHEN THEY SAY "MIDDLE ATLANTIC REGION"?

The WPC includes all of NC. 

Currently 26.1/6.9

The high today at my location was 27.5 at 2:05pm after a morning low of 18.3.  Today had the coldest afternoon high at my location since December 24, 2022, when the afternoon temperature reached 25.9.

A reminder for those in NC who live outside of the mountains.

Dropped down to 9.5 at 7:40 this morning. Current temperature is 22.1

Currently 31.2/30.9 with light freezing rain just northwest of Eden in Rockingham County. There's a glaze on elevated surfaces, but roads are fine. 



 

1 hour ago, BornAgain13 said:

How much do u think Lovers Leap will get? They are about 3200' Elevation

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Here's a post from Poor Farmers Market in nearby Meadows of Dan from a couple of hours ago. 

https://www.facebook.com/poorfarmersmarket/posts/pfbid0AU52HDgq1vTjURNSmdQJctWW9FLTJrWq1XvLxUL9vHsw87spy2xrmb9bKqbRMMzhl

Periods of light sleet that occasionally mix with snow when heavier radar returns are overhead have been falling at my location just northwest of Eden for the past hour or so. 

Currently 32.9/25.5

17 minutes ago, NorthHillsWx said:

We have long range models now and have learned through pain and disappointment that in the south, if it’s showing rain at 384, it gonna rain. If there’s no snowstorm, dont expect a surprise. Models say punt till February so maybe February will save us 

The models are showing a more favorable pattern beginning next week and continuing into February, so things seem to be on track for now. If nothing materializes by the end of this month, only then will I start to consider that this winter may be in trouble. 

I'm not sure what all of the negativity is about, especially since it's only January 11th. As of now, things are going pretty much as expected for an El Nino winter, with most being back-loaded when it comes to cold and snow.

Two of the biggest winters for snow in my part of NC, 1965–66 and 1986–87 (both El Nino winters), each had snowless Decembers, and the first snows in those winters didn't occur until the middle of January. Despite having no snow until mid-January, the winter of 1965–66 had 37.4" for the season, and 1986–87 ended up with 33.5". Both of those winters also had at least one 12-inch snowstorm.

On January 25–27, 1966, 13" of snow fell, and again, a couple of days later, another 10" fell on the 29th and 30th.

In 1987, 14" fell on January 22nd and 23rd, and again a couple of days later, on January 25th and 26th, another 6" fell.

While I'm not expecting a repeat of either of those winters, they, along with other El Nino winters of the past, make me very optimistic that this winter will end up being a decent one once all is said and done.

1 hour ago, NorthHillsWx said:

Yes! The two models you want in your corner against the GFS/EURO!

The 12z Euro is getting close to being something. 


 

The ICON and Canadian are trending in the right direction for early next week. 

11 hours ago, olafminesaw said:

The Euro has a low 980s mb low going right through central NC. This would smash previous pressure records for the month of December.

0Z Euro came in even lower. This is going to be an interesting system to track over the next several days.