On 6/28/2018 at 9:30 AM, DaculaWeather said:

Makes you wonder what they ARE doing to it and why. 

lol @ anybody that doesn't think things are rigged these days.

their goal is to keep you stupid.  And give BS responses that sound smart but are just to keep people stupid.

the same way people in medical school are trained....that practically no diseases are curable these days, without BS prescriptions that make people more sick.

sports as well...many games are rigged.

our economy runs on stupid.  did I forget to mention the stock market?  

you get the drift.

wake up..

guessing it'll be quiet in this thread for awhile ...

9 hours ago, skierinvermont said:

Ranting about how the Russians are punishing us with cold weather is a valid point?

 

Maybe ban this guy too.

5 hours ago, DaculaWeather said:

And laser beams.... don't forget the laser beams. :-)

thanks, easy to tell who the shills are here. 

7 hours ago, nzucker said:

Keep it on track about the health and state of the cryosphere. Is that so difficult?

It is difficult when so much legitimate data is being kept/hid/restricted from the public the last several years.   Especially when an amateur makes an alarming discovery....they then decide to restrict / moderate data before it's officially released.

oh yea, and when will NASA update us on the cloud top lowering trends...?  i'm guessing never.   Since most are now experiencing 0 vis fog / whiteout conditions during severe storms.  

no big deal..no need to let public know the truth.

10 hours ago, Vice-Regent said:

If you warm the pacific, you will get normal or below average temperatures in the US East and Midwest like clockwork until we fully transition. Just how the climate system is setup with the east sides of continents having the advantage of the cold air not moderating over the oceans.

He is right how the current block is outlined by the oceans.  (warmer oceanic areas)

along with where the atlantic meets the arctic.

coldest 2 week period in history...for some parts.

Expect trends of global cooling to continue while a Republican is in office...then the opposite true once a Dem gets back in office. 

Just the way the pendulum swings..

Now we can blame the Russians for our cold.

Quite unnatural looking.    there’s usually atleast some sense of circular-ness to the global pattern and to the block. 

1 hour ago, Vice-Regent said:

No games here, it's called all or nothing amplification of the flow with the PV getting stuck over North America. Blocking is the hallmark of stagnant weather patterns.

Yeah but this type of blocking is a bit over the top..extremely stagnant.  

Creating or intensifying High pressure blocking is easily done with the right tools mentioned above. 

Look at temps for next 5 days...North Pole temporarily relocated to central Canada. 

Rumor has it that U.S. / Russia are playing HAARP games with each other.  (Yup, Russia has their own version as well). 

Notice how the last couple years, Siberia has had enormous, record cold near the beginning of both winters.  Now their gettin back at us.   

These patterns are laughably fixed, wake up if u can’t see it.

On 8/22/2017 at 8:05 PM, WinterWxLuvr said:

That would likely be the death of us all.

I dunno. It could help at times as well.

Like if they dropped a few million tons of ice cubes in the Gulf ahead of Harvey right now.  Otherwise that thing is gonna go to town.  88 degree water temps in it's path.

On 8/21/2017 at 10:30 AM, Weatherdude88 said:

We are currently in an unprecedented slow down in this melting season. Looking at JAXA sea ice extent data for the past 5 days (8.14-8.20), here is how this year compares to previous years. All of this in a time frame were weather was considered unfavorable by most. Where is the heat? 

 

 

It's called bio-engineering to the rescue.

next week's system (980's) could be an ice ripper.   approaching from the warm nose.

long range looks pretty mild. 

http://news.trust.org/item/20170726060325-colqn

Scientists dim sunlight, suck up carbon dioxide to cool planet

OSLO, July 26 (Reuters) - Scientists are sucking carbon dioxide from the air with giant fans and preparing to release chemicals from a balloon to dim the sun's rays as part of a climate engineering push to cool the planet.

Backers say the risky, often expensive projects are urgently needed to find ways of meeting the goals of the Paris climate deal to curb global warming that researchers blame for causing more heatwaves, downpours and rising sea levels.

The United Nations says the targets are way off track and will not be met simply by reducing emissions for example from factories or cars - particularly after U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to pull out of the 2015 pact.

They are pushing for other ways to keep temperatures down.

In the countryside near Zurich, Swiss company Climeworks began to suck greenhouse gases from thin air in May with giant fans and filters in a $23 million project that it calls the world's first "commercial carbon dioxide capture plant".

Worldwide, "direct air capture" research by a handful of companies such as Climeworks has gained tens of millions of dollars in recent years from sources including governments, Microsoft founder Bill Gates and the European Space Agency.

If buried underground, vast amounts of greenhouse gases extracted from the air would help reduce global temperatures, a radical step beyond cuts in emissions that are the main focus of the Paris Agreement.

Climeworks reckons it now costs about $600 to extract a tonne of carbon dioxide from the air and the plant's full capacity due by the end of 2017 is only 900 tonnes a year. That's equivalent to the annual emissions of only 45 Americans.

And Climeworks sells the gas, at a loss, to nearby greenhouses as a fertiliser to grow tomatoes and cucumbers and has a partnership with carmaker Audi, which hopes to use carbon in greener fuels.

Jan Wurzbacher, director and founder of Climeworks, says the company has planet-altering ambitions by cutting costs to about $100 a tonne and capturing one percent of global man-made carbon emissions a year by 2025.

"Since the Paris Agreement, the business substantially changed," he said, with a shift in investor and shareholder interest away from industrial uses of carbon to curbing climate change.

But penalties for factories, power plants and cars to emit carbon dioxide into the atmosphere are low or non-existent. It costs 5 euros ($5.82) a tonne in the European Union.

And isolating carbon dioxide is complex because the gas makes up just 0.04 percent of the air. Pure carbon dioxide delivered by trucks, for use in greenhouses or to make drinks fizzy, costs up to about $300 a tonne in Switzerland.

Other companies involved in direct air capture include Carbon Engineering in Canada, Global Thermostat in the United States and Skytree in the Netherlands, a spinoff of the European Space Agency originally set up to find ways to filter out carbon dioxide breathed out by astronauts in spacecrafts.

NOT SCIENCE FICTION

The Paris Agreement seeks to limit a rise in world temperatures this century to less than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit), ideally 1.5C (2.7F) above pre-industrial times.

But U.N. data show that current plans for cuts in emissions will be insufficient, especially without the United States, and that the world will have to switch to net "negative emissions" this century by extracting carbon from nature.

Riskier "geo-engineering" solutions could be a backstop, such as dimming the world's sunshine, dumping iron into the oceans to soak up carbon, or trying to create clouds.

Among new university research, a Harvard geo-engineering project into dimming sunlight to cool the planet set up in 2016 has raised $7.5 million from private donors. It plans a first outdoor experiment in 2018 above Arizona.

"If you want to be confident to get to 1.5 degrees you need to have solar geo-engineering," said David Keith, of Harvard.

Keith's team aims to release about 1 kilo (2.2 lbs) of sun dimming material, perhaps calcium carbonate, from a high-altitude balloon above Arizona next year in a tiny experiment to see how it affects the microphysics of the stratosphere.

"I don't think it's science fiction ... to me it's normal atmospheric science," he said.

Some research has suggested that geo-engineering with sun-dimming chemicals, for instance, could affect global weather patterns and disrupt vital Monsoons.

And many experts fear that pinning hopes on any technology to fix climate change is a distraction from cuts in emissions blamed for heating the planet.

"Relying on big future deployments of carbon removal technologies is like eating lots of dessert today, with great hopes for liposuction tomorrow," Christopher Field, a Stanford University professor of climate change, wrote in May.

Jim Thomas of ETC Group in Canada, which opposes climate engineering, said direct air capture could create "the illusion of a fix that can be used cynically or naively to entertain policy ideas such as 'overshoot'" of the Paris goals.

But governments face a dilemma. Average surface temperatures are already about 1C (1.8F) above pre-industrial levels and hit record highs last year.

"We're in trouble," said Janos Pasztor, head of the new Carnegie Climate Geoengineering Governance Project. "The question is not whether or not there will be an overshoot but by how many degrees and for how many decades."

Faced with hard choices, many experts say that extracting carbon from the atmosphere is among the less risky options. Leaders of major economies, except Trump, said at a summit in Germany this month that the Paris accord was "irreversible."

"BARKING MAD

Raymond Pierrehumbert, a professor of physics at Oxford University, said solar geo-engineering projects seemed "barking mad".

By contrast, he said "carbon dioxide removal is challenging technologically, but deserves investment and trial."

The most natural way to extract carbon from the air is to plant forests that absorb the gas as they grow, but that would divert vast tracts of land from farming. Another option is to build power plants that burn wood and bury the carbon dioxide released.

Carbon Engineering, set up in 2009 with support from Gates and Murray Edwards, chairman of oil and gas group Canadian Natural Resources Ltd, has raised about $40 million and extracts about a tonne of carbon dioxide a day with turbines and filters.

"We're mainly looking to synthesise fuels" for markets such as California with high carbon prices, said Geoffrey Holmes, business development manager at Carbon Engineering.

But he added that "the Paris Agreement helps" with longer-term options of sucking large amounts from the air.

Among other possible geo-engineering techniques are to create clouds that reflect sunlight back into space, perhaps by using a mist of sea spray.

That might be used locally, for instance, to protect the Great Barrier Reef in Australia, said Kelly Wanser, principal director of the U.S.-based Marine Cloud Brightening Project.

Among new ideas, Wurzbacher at Climeworks is sounding out investors on what he says is the first offer to capture and bury 50 tonnes of carbon dioxide from the air, for $500 a tonne.

That might appeal to a company wanting to be on forefront of a new green technology, he said, even though it makes no apparent economic sense. ($1 = 0.9538 Swiss francs) ($1 = 0.8593 euros)

sea levels falling?

https://www.iceagenow.info/sea-levels-are-falling/

maybe explains why new islands are forming near north carolina.

http://www.cnn.com/travel/article/new-island-north-carolina/index.html

funny too how the arctic flip occurred right after the election.  considering how severe the ice melt was during the beginning / middle of last winter, we 'should' be much lower by now.  Even ORH seemed perplexed from the flip.   (few pages back)

If there ever was a secret project to save the arctic ,we'd never hear about it anyway.  (too many would complain / troll about chemtrail or other experimental programs)

wouldn't be surprised to see a cooler than expected outcome by years end.  

we have a Republican in office now, Geo-engineering for the win.   It's much easier to artificially cool a small area (like the north pole), than it would be other larger regions. 

and aerosols aren't the only option.  no population out there, so they can play around all they want. 

the extent analog from 2006 looks similar to what's currently going on. 

the doom mongerers need to stay on pause for now.  

worst max extent in history....yet Republicans will still find some crazy data excuse somewhere, to say ice is increasing.  

lets see what the coo-coo birds humor us with next. 

heatwave incoming

nice post.

yea most noobies in the NYC forum are crying rain, and nothing but rain...when they don't realize temperatures of just a few degrees is all it takes now.

actually, I think their slowly coming around this morning...from rain to sleet.   eventually they'll get there.  

but yea, this Mississippi stuff this morning got my attention as well. 

8 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

Some temporary declines in January have occurred in the past. Statistically, it is almost improbable that we have already reached the peak Arctic sea ice extent figure (>4.5 sigma event). During the 2003-16 period, the earliest peak was February 15 (2015). The latest was March 31 (2003 and 2010). The mean and median dates were March 10.

true, but this has been a very odd / mild season.  

if wrong, I doubt i'll be wrong by much. 

 looking at long range forecasts... we may of reached the yearly peak already. 

All these ice gains the last few weeks, seems a little sketchy.  during a relatively mild arctic pattern.