Alpha5

90's done for NYC? Were now past August 25th

Yes. Excellent posters. I am more on the Skeptical side..Friv and Skier are those on the AGW side that I respect.

I have been away for a while. Is vergent new or just a different name from Eastern?

I think he's new, but I could be wrong

1. Declare global war on GHG.
   
2. Invest in sustainable energy: solar, wind, wave, ethanol, hydrogen, geothermal(this will kick the world economy into high gear as a secondary effect.) then:
   
3. stop mining and pumping fossil fuels.
   
4. Go back to returnable reusable bottles, compost able packaging.
   
5. Build durable(1,000+ yr) infrastructure(like the Romans did. Some of their aquiducts, roads bridges, sewers, and buildings are still in use.).
   
6. Use bicycles and walking for routine, local, travel.
   
7. Replant the forests.
   
8. Invest in research in sustainable farming and living.
   
9. Stop dumping chemicals into the environment.
   
10. Stop human population growth through education and economic incentives.
    
11. Back off from the natural world. Have a smaller footprint.
    
12. Love thy neighbor as thyself.
    

That would be a reasonable start. Its a twelve step program for fossil fuel addiction.

Yes, but there are several inherent problems with doing this.

First, you have to take the extreme position that GHG and AGW are direct threats to the survival of the human species, and that there is simply no way for us to adapt to a warmer planet.

Secondly, in executing the 10 point plan you listed above, you begin to encroach on certain inalienable rights we have as American citizens (liberty, property, life, etc), which is why I view many people such as yourself as a threat to American society as we know it, and the reason people like Ron Paul are getting more popular.

I just don't understand how rational people can react this way. We don't even know the signficance of this methane release, and yet we have posters saying this means "the shoe has dropped" and we are all going to be climate refugees soon.

Thats fine.

To each his own.....lets see what happens in the coming years

I can understand the interest in climate change. It's science, it's physics, it's weather. Many are interested in those very things. I guess that's why we have a weather board with about 10000 members.

What I can't understand is the fear. Regardless of the change, we'll adapt and so will the other life on the planet. That which does not, will die. It's not like there haven't been extinctions since life first appeared on this planet.

To hear these statements of how "unliveable" the planet will be is a "head scratcher". Unliveable for whom? The guy with a house on the beach? Yeah, might be a problem for him. For cold climate animals. Yeah, might be tough for them. But for humans, who don't live very well in the cold, you'd think that warmth would be a better scenario. Wet areas that become dry would most likely be replaced by dry areas that become wetter. Regions that can't support crop growth now would be able to if it were warmer in certain areas.

I love the science discussion here, but the sensationalism is a bit too much. Whatever happens, we'll adapt. Or we won't. Move on. Time waits for nobody.

Agree 100%.

The alarmism in here is getting a little ludicrous

Closest I came to 3 feet was December 1992 in Holden, MA....I stuck the yard stick into the ground and only 1 inch of it remained at the top. One of these days we'll break 40".

We all will

Wheres 1888 when you need it

45" in New Haven

http://journals.amet...TO%3E2.0.CO%3B2

45" in New Haven