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46 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

it doesn't matter if they were hotter then than they are now- the rate of change now is what matters.  And if you go back before human history, mass extinction events resulted because of sudden changes- and we have a mass extinction event underway right now.

 

Really? A mass extinction event? Really?

No I mean...Really?

57 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I'm wondering if their new climate can no longer support their old growth..... ditto with Siberia and California, where other multimillion acre fires have been occurring.  We might be seeing a long term evolution towards a more desert or, at the very least, a grassland/savanna kind of climate.

 

57 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I'm wondering if their new climate can no longer support their old growth..... ditto with Siberia and California, where other multimillion acre fires have been occurring.  We might be seeing a long term evolution towards a more desert or, at the very least, a grassland/savanna kind of climate.

 

Or it could just be cyclical, to go along with more population in areas prone to such issues as well as poor undergrowth management.

56 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Mar a Lago will likely be flooded before 2050, parts of the Keys have already been underwater for a few months now.

About Hong Kong, thats probably what China wants.  Did you read about how they didn't care when they had manmade earthquakes as a result of building giant dams?

 

Not all flooding is caused by "sea level rise". Subsidence has far more to do with it. If those that talk a good game regarding climate change and sea level rise actually practiced what they preached, they would not be buying multi million dollar homes in areas where some claims say will be under water in a couple of decades. See also: Obama, Barack and Michelle

51 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

well the coral reef predictions are sure coming to pass.

 

Which ones? 

51 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Having fewer children is the best way individual people can help.

 

Ah yes. The "population problem". Paul Ehrlich is still revered by so many yet couldn't have possibly been more wrong about pretty much everything.

53 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Trust me, I have been throwing China and India under the bus too.  Do you know the air in Delhi India is so polluted they cant even breathe there?  The meat industry also has to change- they are right behind China and the US when it comes to greenhouse gas emissions.

 

Good luck with that. And by that I mean...get your hands off my burger!

54 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I believe they have some professional psychologists working for them who know exactly how to confuse people.  The mind games are strong, the science of spreading propaganda has been perfected over the decades..... the Nazis did this too.

 

Who is this "they" you speak of...that you are equating to nazis?

25 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

increasing severity of el nino has also been connected to AGW.

 

That doesn't do anything to answer my post regarding the sensitivity and accuracy of the math used in the paper.

25 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

the amount of heat being added to the oceans is the equivalent of 5 Hiroshima level atomic bombs EVERY SECOND!  Also read the paper on oceanic heatwaves that was posted earlier, pretty eyeopening....

 

And the amount of heat being added to the oceans BY THE SUN is what? A thousand times that? Every second? Yawn.

6 minutes ago, Gray-Wolf said:

https://aliran.com/web-specials/a-tipping-point-is-playing-out-right-now-says-climate-scientist-michael-mann/

Yes. True genius he. Quite the scientist.

6 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said:

That's a point a lot of people either ignore or worse. I believe the US/Europe contribute 15% of all emissions & are gradually declining while China/India/Russia do the rest and they're rising. 

Even if the US/Europe were to go net zero we'd still have a global problem. Unless those countries change, nothing will change. 

That's a good indication that all of this has little to nothing to actually do with trying to save the planet from humans. Developed nations CO2 emissions are projected to decrease over the coming decades, while CO2 emissions from developing nations (China, India etc) are expected to increase by some 87%. If this was truly about saving the planet from CO2 emissions, people would be throwing China, India et al under the bus en masse. Instead you rarely hear criticism regarding not only their currently large emissions as a global percentage, but also their trajectory of future emissions as a global percentage. Why would that be?

China cleans up its polluting? Does their "scrubbing of all emissions" include the building of more coal plants than are being built in the rest of the world combined or no? 

Blue ocean event? Is that like the glaciers in Glacier National Park completely disappearing this year? Only they're not? Or the plethora of other dommsday predictions that have failed to materialize over the decades? 

But yeah. Michael Mann and stuff. True genius.

19 minutes ago, rclab said:

My apologies for the presumption, Strong belief and strong denial will often lead to stronger emotions. Whatever the outcome, time will tell, whether/weather we like it or not. As always ...

Certainly true. I do not have a problem with individuals who believe that humans are causing great harm to the climate. I have far more of a problem with people like Mann who have made themselves into something of a cottage industry and become quite wealthy and well healed while simultaneously doing their best to protect their status by slandering and trying to shut down conversation and dissension. He is the antithesis of what science is supposed to be. Thus the lol.

I question the uncertainty range of this study. I seriously doubt that measurements going back to the 1960's regarding the top two kilometers of ocean temperature are accurate within plus or minus .003 degrees celsius. That seems highly problematic. The number of buoys that are currently in use versus the number it would take to truly measure enough of the ocean down to two kilometers is also quite problematic. As is the fact that this buoy system has only been in place since 2005.

Finally, even if one assumes their problematic findings are indeed accurate, it will take some 300+ years for the oceans to warn by a single degree. Not exactly alarming. And to say with certainty that the change in temperature is 100% due to human causes as opposed to cloud cover or El Nino frequency, or any number of other slight variances in a highly complex climate system seems to me very definition of arrogance.

17 minutes ago, rclab said:

Don, the poster may have been referring to the  film Director Michael K Mann. Thank you for the lead on Doctor Michael E, Mann. I trying to read the Australia report. As always .....

Nope. I'm referring to Michael Mann the fear monger. Lol.

Michael Mann. Lol.

8 minutes ago, allgame830 said:

How many feet up is that Frying Pan Tower?

80 feet I believe