Glenn M

Done. Well intentioned but this survey brings in way too many assumptions and show far more lack of understanding of climate than one would hope for a college research paper. An uneducated politically correct professor will probably give you an A, but it's looking like I'd give you an F. I hope you gain a deeper understanding of climate before submission.

Would you mind showing me where I said we should go ahead and trash the planet? Thats right - I didn't. The problem with people bringing politics and nonsense into a discussion is they make up crap to push their agenda. The simple fact is that Earth *will* be fine. The stuff she's been through in her history has been phenomenal and amazing. For human's, it boils down to habitability for humans (which is where your sole focus appears to be). *MY* point is there is a 100% chance that sooner or later Earth will either slip back into the ice phase of the current ice age we're in, or it will fully leave the ice age and get very hot here, much much hotter than the people who focus on anthropological climate change have even imagined. In the former - large swaths of land will become covered in ice and become uninhabitable. In the later, with a 75F average global temp - we will see extreme high temps in excess of 120F, well above the capability of humans to cope, again making much of Earth uninhabitable. For 98% of Earth's history - she is either in full ice age or full heat mode. She cares not one iota if humans can live here or not. Human's only chance at avoiding the above would be to figure out a way to control climate on a massive planet wide basis to maintain our current Goldilocks zone that we've been in for the past 12,000 years. A zone that, again, is maybe about 2% of the total time of Earth's history. I haven't done the math on that percent so it might even be much smaller, like less than .05%. The point being - the current climate humans are enjoying is not the norm and is not going to last much longer without massive scientific break throughs in controlling climate (which I doubt we'll achieve). Should we be cleaner in our energy use? Yes. Not because of climate change but simply because it gives us cleaner air and water and healthier lives. But if we think its going to stop the climate from changing to a more normal state for Earth, we're delusional.

^^^ This. 100% true. The only thing that will kill the Earth will be when the Sun expands and swallows it - in about 1 billion years. Until then she'll recover from anything thrown her way given enough time. Humans on the other hand will likely be long gone as we cant handle all the extremes that Earth will go through.

While I support her recommendation for farming, I dont believe it will ultimately help change the course of Earth's climate. Earth will either re-enter the ice phase of the current ice age we're in (we're in the interglacial period now), or it will fully exit the ice age and return to its natural normal Earth average hot temps of around 75F - 17F higher than todays Earth average. Whether that happens within the next 100 years, or 5,000 years remains to be seen but either one will occur with a 100% guarantee. Unless humans can figure out how to force Earth to stay in interglacial conditions - something Earth probably only spends about 1% to 2% of her time in.

Hi All, New to the group. Been reading several of the posts and have found them interesting. I wanted to get some feedback on a paper I put together around ice ages in Earth's history. It should be attached to this post. I put this together more as a way to gather my thoughts on the topic - to get it out of my head and put it on paper. Its about 15 pages of content (but a lot of graphs and short text) but considering the topic (which one could write a 1,000 page paper on if they tried) its more of a cliff notes. As I said, its sort of a very brief history of climate change as it relates to ice ages. I am *NOT* trying to focus on climate change as it is discussed today in its highly politicized format, although one cant help but at least touch on it a little. If I were to very quickly sum up the paper I might make these points: Assert that we are technically still in an ice age (just that we're in the interglacial period) Note that Earth's natural normal temperature when not in an ice age is much hotter than today Theorize about 3 possible outcomes for our future, regardless of if humans are impacting climate change. Would love to discuss the observations/opinions I make in the paper to find its flaws/weaknesses, and maybe expand/change from how climate change is currently discussed in todays political environment. I do hope the discussion can be constructive. I'm sure I have errors and/or my observations are flawed. I'm hoping to learn and make corrections. Note that this "paper" is just personal. It is not for any other purpose, it is not for publication or posting somewhere (beyond this forum), its not homework (I'm 54, not 15) and its not for work (I'm sure I'd be fired if this was meant for professional use). Just my thoughts and observations to fuel my interest in the topic. Thanks in advance for your thoughts and feedback. Glenn A brief history of climate change and ice ages.docx

When Earth is not formally in an ice age period, average global temps are about 17 degrees F higher than todays average of 58 F. So what would things be like then? Could humans even survive? To me, the whole discussion and focus around climate change is completely off track and way too politicized. We're focused on the "ants" and why there are ants while a herd of T-Rex's loom ahead.