WEATHERBUFF

6 minutes ago, CIK62 said:

NYNJPA waved the white flag and gave up on the remainder of the winter.   A wrong way SSW does us in.

It depends on location...coastal sections may be in trouble because we will get nina climo.

7 minutes ago, CIK62 said:

CFS's  December Outlook still looks awful.   

It's an awful model!!

2 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

Yep another early end to winter.   Seems like 2/15 has been the date of the last big snows for a few years.    Big warmth in middle of the country-hard to see how we don't get warm at some point in the next week or so.    Tough winter, the cold could never hit and hold.  The loss of the warm blob of water in the Pacific was a big deal along withe the AO and NAO staying positive much of the winter.   

DT has been awful, so what he says expect the opposite. Although philly south it may be the end of winter, but they never really had winter!

7 minutes ago, RedSky said:

I believe climate change and everything it entails such as altered SST's and the warming pole is playing havoc with the physics of computer models, the flipping beyond 24hrs had been extreme recent winters.

 

I agree especially when they overplay the cold and underestimate the warmth.

5 minutes ago, NEG NAO said:

exactly - and  after his "December to Remember"

It was okay for State College Pa....lol

5 minutes ago, Ralph Wiggum said:

Cosgrove updated again today. Says brief cold shot later this week but transient as the progressive/zonal pattern locks in thru the last days of January. He is saying mild East of the Apps thru very late January. Not what I wanted to hear this morning.
 

He has not done too well with his forecasts lately....look at last winter.

15 hours ago, hazwoper said:

I am guessing they will bust in our area based on the overall consensus.  

I believe they are saying areas further north.

12 hours ago, SACRUS said:

Today's Highs;

PHL: 93
TTN: 90
EWR: 87
TEB: 87
New Brnswk: 89
LGA: 85
ACY: 85
JFK: 85
NYC: 83
ISP: 82

I think the philly area south does not belong in the NYC discussion...they're climate is closer to DC area especially with recent trends.