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Back in the day we all got along under one subforum.....

These past few years being separated(NYC & Philly on its own) it has really put a strain on this site as a whole.

It took me three years to get a job; just keep persevering and eventually something pops up. I did start taking some graduate classes online and in a few years if I get tired of the broadcast side I can jump into something else met related.

Ok, anyone who hates computers should be banned from teaching meteorology. Teaching the old school way and ignoring the modern techniques and skills needed which involves computers will make for some very unemployable met grads. Simply put; you need to know computers! Its the modern tool of the trade. Not saying printout difax maps are bad, I still use them to analyze, but you gotta know the computer stuff too. That said, best to have a double major if you are doing meteorology with the job market the way it is in the field.

And that's the issue with things today-Everyone relies too much on technology and not using the older techniques used back in the earlier days. Before I bought a smartphone and I was away from my computer I would look up at the sky and look at clouds to determine what the weather would be like for the next few hours. I used to carry around my Intro Met book in my truck because of the great appendix in the back for a quick reference guide on how to nowcast.

I also feel that what I learned from that one professor really enhanced my forecasting skills- although sometimes it was tedious to hand plot a sounding and hand analyze every level of a case study back in 1963, it helped me appreciate what our forefathers of the field went through.

LOL always OOOOKAYYYYYY. The year before you had him for thermo, I was in his class, and Aaron Burton blurted out OOOOKKKKKAAAYYYY right after Dr Yoh. Then later he said he didn't remember doing it! That was a moment I'll never forget!

For people reading this thread intending to pursue a met degree should check out Kean-we have many unique professors including what was mentioned before, an old school met whom still prefers the printout/fax maps to analyze storms(he hates computers), and a former NWA president!

Similarly, it would probably be equally hilarious hearing you pronounce Matlab or the equivalent in Korean, Japanese, or Chinese.

He started every class saying "Okayyyyyyyyyy", and one of my favorite lines he had was "Jews" of water "wapor".

All kidding aside, he was an awesome professor and the best teacher I've ever had-he helped me get the funds to get to the AMS meeting in New Orleans for my poster presentation.

That's because he IS a computer!

I'll always remember using "Matrab" and IDV during labs.

He told me that one time when I was pouring over the models doing Keancast. Basically said he would have no idea what to look at to make a good forecast.

That makes no sense since he ran his own WRF every day and did research papers on mesoscale modeling with some met majors-mostly it was computer based though, but still.....

Actually, and Scotty can attest to this, the Chinese (hong kong) born professor of meteorology at Kean has admitted many times that he would not have a clue how to forecast, but he is an absolute genius in mathematics and physics!

I don't remember Dr. Yoh admitting that he wouldn't know how to forecast, but I rarely ever saw him make one. His undergrad was in Meteorology(somewhere out the US I believe), but his PhD is actually in Physics.

On estimation....how much of a met degree can be done online and still come from an accredited school (I don't care about quality...could be from Arizona State for all I care)? Not seriously considering....mostly curious about it.

Mississippi State can be done all online for a Broadcast Met degree.

Yes. I forgot to mention that we all had to take 2 CPS classes too!

I forgot about the computer science classes! Once again, almost failed the first class....took the second class in a six week summer session and received an B.

So you learned the calc while learning thermo?

Yep-the first few weeks were learning some Calc and Skew-Ts. We had a great professor.

Dr Croft has really advanced the broadcast leg of that program.

When I was at Millersville there wasn't a forecasting class (don't see one listed in the couse list). I don't forecast for a living now, but I was involved with the campus weather service for 8 semesters. It involved map discussions and short and medium range forecasting for 3 shifts each day.

we also gained a little forecasting experience through our meso class

I was lucky enough to be one of the few "pioneers" of the Keancast-we started off as a weekly weather show, but we were able to score some old WSI computers from News 12 to actually help us make professional graphics and look really legit. There were also daily radio forecasts played across campus and it did gain popularity rather quickly.

This. Synoptic was the closest to a forecasting class.

It really was Greg, but I don't think many people know that we had a very "old school" professor-he hated computers and we had two labs a week so the one lab we'd analyze maps from March 3, 1963 and then the other lab was taught by another met professor where we broke off into teams and rotated throughout the semester to give a daily weather briefing(Forky loved those days )

I can't speak for other schools, but it was required at Oswego that you participated in the local forecasting game while in Synoptic 1 and 2...and one of the requirements of synoptic 2 lab was to write forecast discussions and give forecast briefings.

Also, while an elective, there was a broadcast meteorology and advanced forecasting course offered by Dave Aichorn, the chief met at WSYR at the time.

In my senior year Kean participated in the WxChallenge, and we also had a broadcast met class that was created by Dr. Paul Croft(the Mt. Holly guys know him well).

No met program really has a forecasting class. I'm just amazed Kean doesn't require chem or calc III. How did you understand the partial derivations required to derive the met equations?

I believe Rutgers and Millersville offers forecasting classes. Partial derivations was mixed into the beginning of Thermodynamics.

He ALWAYS took pity on the met majors, it wasn't just in your class! In my class, it was the "Three Musketeers". We had 2 semesters less calculus than most in there. We deserved the pity!

I was all alone man! Everyone else had each other in the class. I wound up befriending a math major to help me out on the take-homes.

BTW, here is the meteorology program requirements.

http://hurri.kean.ed...meteorology.pdf

EDIT-it looks like Chem I at least is required now.

Like Isohume said... wow. I'm starting to really question Kean at a B.S. in Atmos. program, as its major requirements seem lax compared to the other colleges I went to and looked at.

I took Chemistry back in community college, but when I did transfer to Kean I was shocked that Chem wasn't a requirement. Other than that Kean has a good met program, except that there are no forecasting classes. You are basically left on your own to take everything you learned in class and put it together to make a forecast.

I agree with this. A lot of times it depends on the professor, whether they can clearly explain the material or not. You took Krantz for Diffy Q also I imagine?

Of course. Who else? Luckily he took pity on me for being the only meteorology major in his night class(I think I took GIS, which conflicted with the daytime Diffy Q class).

Calc II was harder than Calc I for me. I don't know about Calc III, because we never had to take it. We did have to take differential equations, which was a nightmare.

I was the opposite-Calc II was much easier than Calc I. I almost failed Calc I, took a six-week summer class of Calc II and got a B.

I think it also depends on what type of professor you have as well-some teach the material better than others. Unfortunately for Greg and me there is only one professor who taught Diffy Q.