Sundog

I've been talking about shipping regulations boosting temps for a couple years. The general cleanup of air since the 1990s also contributed big time. And then we also have Hunga Tonga which of course just had to be a massive water vapor booster into the stratosphere instead of an aerosol release.

June 2009 was so cool because it basically rained the whole month correct?

I think the light rain may have given the park a leg up on reaching a colder overall low, I don't think the other spots got much at all, especially White Plains and Bridgeport.

Looks like the models have the bigger heat a hair inland as I see lots of southerly winds next week. It's also not that hot, some days are not hot at all. Good news for big heat haters.

I think it's been quite cordial back and forth

I had some green over me and it couldn't even fully get the ground wet, it's nothing

I just fixed my gutters because they were pouring water out the top instead of draining to the pipes and of course now it's not going to rain for like 2 weeks

Hi @FPizz

I do really care for the environment. My wife calls me a tree hugger lol I have degrees in Geology and even focused on paleoclimate and fossil fuel location. I created some beautiful cross sectional maps haha. So I'm not one of those flat Earthers who think climate change isn't happening or is not people's fault. I just know that, even by your numbers, the USA is NOT in control of 85% to 87% of all annual emissions. Practically speaking, I don't see how we can get this problem under control QUICK in order to give humanity some breathing room to transition over without using aerosols. We also have to develop nuclear for baseload power, we can't have a fully solar or wind powered grid unless there is massive development in battery energy storage on a huge scale. China didn't NEED build coal plants for the factories. They CHOSE to. They could power those factories with solar or wind can they not? Or even natural gas. But they chose the worst energy available. And the reason why America has contributed 25% of emissions historically is because we industrialized at a time when if you weren't burning wood for energy then you were burning coal. For a country TODAY to build new coal plants is wildly irresponsible when there are so many alternatives. I would say the same if the USA was industrializing today instead of 150 years ago. Unfortunately I do see from some people on the left say it's ok for third world countries to get a several decades break to allow major pollution from them because "the West did too," or, "they need to catch up." Incredibly stupid thought process. As if all the technological advancements that have been achieved over the last 100 years are not available to them! If China built 250 coal plants in 1920 I would understand. In 2025? Ridiculous. People who excuse this are not actually interested in solving this issue.

I'm starting to dread next week from now lol

All nations are corrupt. It's the extent to which they are that varies from country to country.

1. I see no evidence that we are trying to deplete all fossil fuel energy before switching over. And who are you referring to? Americans? The West? Asia? The whole world? 2. 90% of the problem IS from outside the USA. The United States produces about 10% of global emissions annually. 3. The Earth doesn't CARE about per capita pollution. It doesn't care if 100 people or 10 billion people are producing the greenhouse gases. All it knows and feels is the total amount emitted. 4. China installed about 100GW of energy from coal in only ten years, which going by the average sized coal plant translates to roughly 250 new coal plants. It doesn't matter if they also increased their renewable energy. Remember the Earth doesn't care about that, it only cares about total emissions, and China built a record amount of literally the worst type of energy. 5. Since renewable technology took off and was working at scale, we have had a Democratic president for 12 of the last 16 years. 6. People are putting profits ahead of the environment all over the world, and especially the third world. 7. We are currently running a planetary scale geoengineering experiment RIGHT NOW. What else would you call altering the atmospheric composition of an entire planet? Letting this experiment run its course is simply not an option. 8. I don't think we'll get to 800ppm, most of the world except Africa has fallen below replacement rate. 9. I am glad that you acknowledge that fossil fuels brought about the modern technological age and vastly improved humanity's standard of living. 10. In my ideal world there is no fossil fuel use anywhere in the world. But I'm not holding out hope. I think annual aerosol injections to bring temps down to 1C cooler than present will give humanity enough time to transition. I really think this is the only practical solution.

I think acid rain and ozone were a lot easier to collaborate on and solve. Those also caused direct visible damage as well as a clear threat. They also weren't issues that if solved would severely damage countries' economies and standards of living. There are 300 million people in India that defecate outdoors. Their poor standard of living is one reason their carbon footprint is half the global average. I also don't like excusing or allowing other countries to continue to pollute with impunity as if modern forms of energy production aren't available to them. Why couldn't China just build more solar farms or wind mills instead of installing 100 GW of coal powered energy over the last ten years? That's roughly 250 coal powered power plants. Meanwhile the West has built none in 25 years and more are being decommissioned every year We can't solve this problem when 90% of it has nothing to do with us. I feel like people aren't seriously interested in solving this issue when focusing only on the US and speaking in uniliteral terms as if we are the ones that, if we just went carbon neutral, we'd stop climate change. There's no carrot to get other countries to stop greenhouse gas emissions. We need a stick. And if the stick doesn't work, we need geoengineering. And the easiest and most cost effective way to do it is with aerosols. I fear that we'll all be right here, a bunch of old men saying the exact same thing 30 years from now, with nothing being done because people are holding out hope that by some miracle we will get everyone around the world to become carbon neutral. Meanwhile we lost 30 years of aerosol injections to at least get temps back down to reasonable levels while we try to solve this thing. Even if we did go carbon neutral in 30 years let's say, the greenhouse gases are all still in the air. Aerosols are a way to stop the warming and even reverse it while the world transitions over to clean energy and solves the problem of carbon sequestering at scale.

Maybe it will be wrong

That's because the the site is crap now and the dewpoints are now consistently too high

That solution might be more permanent than you'd like lol

Don I'm interested only in solutions that have a possibility of working. The USA going carbon neutral TOMORROW won't solve this problem. The USA can geoengineer the solution on its own. Why do we need their permission? Does China ask us for permission to pollute the atmosphere? Did they ask permission to build roughly 250 coal plants over the last 10 years? Who's to say the aerosols caused the monsoon to fail? Why can't it be greenhouse gas induced climate change that did it? Nothing will get solved as long as 90% of the problem lies outside the USA's borders. If they can pollute the atmosphere freely, then we can inject aerosols into it if we want to as well.

I'll take the smoke

Nothing will get fixed if people still act like this is a USA problem. Just like you won't solve your budget woes by cancelling Netflix while keeping the 800 dollar a month car lease.

Small victory yes I'll agree

That would be nice lol

A rare win (and it barely qualified) in an otherwise dud of a year

You pretend you care about climate change by secretly you love that shit

And of course us on the coast didn't even get the below normal, we just finished normal :/

Btw when it was in the 90s in October 2019 it felt hot as balls despite lower sun angle lol