Sundog

16 minutes ago, nycwinter said:

60 degrees the humidity should not matter..

Near 100% humidity and temps between 62 and 65 is not nice. I had until recently the windows open until it started feeling annoyingly sticky inside and had a nice puddle of water under my cup and on my cup. That was enough for me. 

3 hours ago, bluewave said:

Several stations are already in the top 5 highest number of 60 degree minimums with more to come over the next week or so. Notice how many of the top years were in the 2010's.

60 degree or warmer minimums through 10-4

White Plains

#1...98 days....1959

#2...96 days....2012...2011

#3...94 days....2018....so far

#4...93 days....2016

#5..92 days.....2015

Islip

#1...109 days...2015

#2..107 days....2011

#3..105 days....2017

#4..103 days...2016

#5..102 days....2018 so far

LGA

#1...137 days....2007

#2....133 days...2016

#3....132 days...2012...2010

#4...131 days...2018 so far

#5..129.days....1991

 

This might be the most depressing set of stats regarding tri state climate I've ever seen. 

54 minutes ago, psv88 said:

68/50 is normal for this time of year, by the 12 it is 64/47. A step down is natural.

That GFS "blast" will quickly turn into a brief return to normal. 

4 minutes ago, TriPol said:

At 71 degrees??

I wear shorts and flip flops well into October, especially the last 5 to 10 years ever since September turned into August Part 2. 

2 minutes ago, nycwinter said:

very chilly morning quite  a few people wearing jackets....

Haha temps were between 65 and 70 and people are wearing jackets? The natives around here are turning into Floridians. 

25 minutes ago, nycwinter said:

you forgot the blizzard of 1983 over 17 inches fell in central park....

Yea I said between 1983 and 1993. 

24 minutes ago, 495weatherguy said:

I'm a few years older, I remember 1977/78, both years had good storms, then the others as you noted.  I don't think most kids today understand how hard it was to get a snow day---even a snowstorm.

There was not a single snowstorm over 10 inches in NYC between 1983 and 1993 which is absurd. Couple that with almost all the 90s sucking and other systems that may have occured on days off or weekends and it's not hard to understand why there was never any days off back then. 

59 minutes ago, psv88 said:

Even i am getting sick of the hot weather. No relief here yet, 86/75/96. A few dry cool days would be nice. 

But a few inches of snow fell at 10,000 feet in Glacier National Park! 

Everything is fine. 

3 hours ago, bluewave said:

The windows were fogged up again here this morning. JFK upped the record to 32 days with a maximum dew point of 75 degrees or higher.

 

 

Where do you get these graphs from? They're quite useful. 

Another 75+ dewpoint day for JFK.

When was the last time we had below normal water temps off the coast? I feel like they've been perpetually above to well above normal. 

21 hours ago, bluewave said:

That was one of the reasons that the beach rebuilding project never got going back in the late 90's and early 2000's. Even the dunes in the West End were too small to survive Sandy. They got flattened during the evening high tide. But the larger Lido dunes held and the houses immediately behind them avoided any major flooding. 

Artificial dunes have a lower resistance to erosion than naturally created ones because of the lack of annual root systems taking root (no pun intended) and the higher permeability compared to natural dunes.

If people just left the natural dunes alone coastal communities would be far safer. Too bad they takes decades to form, which means realistically they're never coming back. 

20 hours ago, ORH_wxman said:

We would need perfect weather I think to get a minimum in August for extent...I don't think it's ever happened in the jaxa record. Earliest I could find was 9/1 in 1997...looks like 1988 was 9/2. It admittedly might be a little easier to get a min in August with less ice extent than previous years if there's some open water pretty close to the pole...as that will tend to freeze much earlier than the peripheral areas. We sort of saw this last year when we had a min on 9/7...pretty early.

Area has twice had minimums in August...2005 and 1986 I believe. Both were on August 31st I believe.

I would be more impressed with early minimums decades ago when the ice was much more widespread and therefore had more vulnerable ice to give back. 

Getting an early minimum when all the easy ice is already melted and all we have is a compact core left is not as impressive, it's almost expected.  

What is impressive is how we continue to shed ice most years despite losing all the vulnerable ice well before the end of the season. Shows you how pathetic the cryosphere has been over the last 15 years. 

AGW should be treated as any other insurance scenario. Nobody expects their house to burn down but I bet almost everybody out there (and everyone with a mortgage) has home insurance against several highly unlikely scenarios. 

Now we're talking about our whole planet, the only place we can call home. It's just a little bit more important than a few walls made of wood and brick yet we are currently playing with matches in a home with no insurance. 

Even if the uncertainty level regarding AGW was much higher than what it is now, we should still be all doing every damned thing possible to stop any type of GHG emissions.

The risk of doing nothing is enormous. The gain even if AGW was not real is having a totally transformed energy economy with countless new jobs that will support it. 

There are literally no negatives. 

Can any natural mechanism explain the dramatic increase increase in temperatures on land and in the oceans over the last few decades?

When you show me one that can, let me know. 

2 hours ago, tacoman25 said:

Runaway hyperbole feedbacks!

What hyperbole? Do you need to see iguanas colonize Antarctica to be convinced we have a serious problem?

13 hours ago, ORH_wxman said:

9/7 would be the earliest extent min on record for Jaxa. I'll have to see what the earliest is for NSIDC. 

I can see why earlier minimums can be more common with very low sea ice numbers since all the easy ice to melt is long gone while in more normal extent years there would have still been some vulnerable ice farther from the core to melt out. 

2 hours ago, Jonger said:

It needs to be looked at seriously. Right now, we barely hear anyone talking about it. I think environmentalists think it's a get of of jail free card and deniers poo-poo it, because that would mean admitted there is an issue.

We already know the Earth is fine for humans being a couple degrees cooler, because it was before the industrial revolution! I think it's better than doing nothing because we are definitely screwing up the Earth now. Why not at least try to offset the warming effects? Status quo is simply unacceptable. 

5 hours ago, WinterWxLuvr said:

The whole idea speaks to the arrogance of humans. 

Weve pretty much always been guided by the notion that we can mold the earth into what we want it to be instead of adapting and living in harmony with it.  You could argue that it's that very notion that got us to this point in the first place.

Honestly, it's better than doing nothing, because that's what we're doing right now, absolutely nothing. 

15 hours ago, ORH_wxman said:

On Jaxa which is lower than other datasets since they changed their land mask. I think NSIDC, U Bremen, Hamburg, etc will stay above 4...no guarantee tho.   

 

I agree with winter that geoengineering is very dangerous given how much we still do not understand about the feedbacks in the climate as it is. 

But can't we just "switch it off" so to speak if we see adverse effects?

Isn't it a statistical anomaly to have so many days out for 30 be one specific temperature (89 degrees?)

Teterboro with 10 days is almost twice the next hottest site. Teterboro has been reporting garbage numbers for the last couple of months.

The park's starting to fall behind me now; we were neck and neck.

90.1F high here today, giving me 18 days of 90F or higher. Had 4 this week, with an 87F on Wednesday splitting the heat. My average for a year is 18, so above normal is obviously a lock. September most years yields anywhere from nothing to maybe 2 or 3 if it's a hot month. Climo wise, 90F chances drop off considerably post August 25th, so we've got about a month left. Can't believe it; summer goes way too fast. I always say, once 4th of July hits, it's all downhill from there (seems to go much faster).

Agree on the 4th of July comment. It's funny too because the 4th is so early in the summer season yet it already feels as if summer is slipping away.

97 at LGA? I got home from the east end on the north fork around 3:30 and it didn't feel that hot. I guess I got used to it.

Im using it for my list because I had an extra 90 degree day that JFK missed. Also, its very useful seeing how wrong the NYC foliage temps are, because they had 3x as many 89 degrees last year as anyone else and if you split the difference, it brings them into line with LGA. I thought you would like that

Those 89s last year at the park was ridiculous. The record should have been smashed.