Well, my final call for mby is 15-25"; hoping for some help from the cf for the upper end and hoping to not get PDIIed in order to stay away from the lower half.....ie avoid the se edge if the sustinence zone, attributed to extra lift associated with the cf. Thought it was the last one, but this one is absolutely, unequivocally it; the culmination of my 4 years and 3 mths on these boards. I think Boston (12-18") sees the low end of my range and JUST to the n and w the sky is the limit. KPING-