Normandy Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 43 minutes ago, Roger Smith said: As to Nicole not being a 'cane at landfall, probably true near the center, but if you noted that report from the space center further north (100 mph gusts above the surface), I think what happened was that strongest winds decoupled from the core when the storm straddled the coast, and were ejected north. So there was a hurricane aspect to the landfall, but very non-classical as to location of that remnant. How are storm surge outcomes north of the Cape? That might be another aspect that was better anticipated from hurricane Nicole than TS Nicole designations. It's sort of like the Sandy landfall in that what the storm was named could mislead some vulnerable coastal residents, in hindsight many thought that Sandy should have been retained as a hurricane to landfall. Some in storm surge situations might have (wrongly) surmised that Sandy wasn't even a hurricane any more, and let their guard down. This was widely discussed IIRC in the days after landfall. Also a storm with a 16' storm surge and 90 mph wind gusts could safely be called a hurricane for a few extra hours. This doesn't make any sense. Having 100 MPH flight level winds does not make a storm a hurricane. The lack of sustained 60+ MPH winds anywhere near the coast suggests this did not have 75 MPH sustained surface winds. It is possible for a storm to be stronger aloft and weaker at the surface. It is also possible for a storm to have weaker flight level winds and have the winds mix down better. Nothing I am saying here downplays Nicole as a storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 interesting tweet that I saw retweeted by Jim Cantore 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeWinds Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Normandy said: This doesn't make any sense. Having 100 MPH flight level winds does not make a storm a hurricane. The lack of sustained 60+ MPH winds anywhere near the coast suggests this did not have 75 MPH sustained surface winds. It is possible for a storm to be stronger aloft and weaker at the surface. It is also possible for a storm to have weaker flight level winds and have the winds mix down better. Nothing I am saying here downplays Nicole as a storm. What you describe is true of every tropical storm. Very rarely do rated winds verify, at least consistently. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Hell of a change since noon today. Temp was 63° with a few of 63°, now we’re sitting at 73°/73° with an E wind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted November 11, 2022 Author Share Posted November 11, 2022 Way up here, I had two two hour+ long outages today. I've been getting bands of heavy showers this evening accompanied by very gusty winds as higher dewpoint air has displaced the wedged in air. There's been almost no thunder. We're under a tornado watch til 1AM. Charleston surge was up from 2 feet during yesterday morning's high tide to 2.6 at this morning's high tide. The projected peak surge was 2-4 feet. So, it verified in the lower part of the range though there still was a good amount of surge flooding. Ft. Pulaski's high tide this morning included a surge of 2.9 feet that lead to Highway 80 and Tybee having a notable amount of flooding. That should end up the highest tide for this storm. I'm near 1.5" for this storm, the third this season to give me rain/wind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER53 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 22 hours ago, TradeWinds said: 1935 - Miami (Nov 4) 1985 - Kate (Cat 2 into Panhandle Nov 21) Thank you 1935 was an extreme one I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted November 11, 2022 Author Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, WEATHER53 said: Thank you 1935 was an extreme one I think? 1935 was extreme track wise as this was the so called "Yankee Hurricane" that moved SW from off NC to FL and hit as a cat 2: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER53 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, GaWx said: 1935 was extreme track wise as this was the so called "Yankee Hurricane" that moved SW from off NC to FL and hit as a cat 2: Yes and #3 being the monster from that year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeWinds Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Some clarification from NWS Melbourne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeffsvilleWx Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Peak gusts from MLB coverage area: https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/p.php?pil=PNSMLB&e=202211110116&fbclid=IwAR0VITwlaRn1QJg2WnNI4Zni-NNn913gPiz2I82xVSTQptQd79aR45Zz1KM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewall Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 The line of supercells due to Nicole in NC this morning: 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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