USCG RS Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, CoastalWx said: Parts of Sanibel look like Homestead after Andrew. 100%. Many insurance companies may be facing insolvency, which - In Florida - means every person's insurance rates (auto, house, etc) are about to skyrocket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: Looks Like Mytle Beach will take the brunt of the surge now... Georgetown probably the worst. Both cities are near high tide right now so timing is bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Latest report (11:20 AM) from the 41004 buoy, which is ~65 miles ESE of Charleston at 32.5N, 79.1W, had a SLP down to 29.92"/979 mb with a south wind at only 8 knots: https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=41004</i><br 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCG RS Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 53 minutes ago, jm1220 said: Unless they’re building sea walls after this, one day the devastation will just happen again on those barrier islands/surge zones. Not sure what building code can keep the building from taking horrible water damage. Saw it firsthand after Sandy, buildings from the outside looked not terrible but inside- totally wrecked and in many cases needed to be demolished. The barrier islands may be easier, in those cases the demolishing was already taken care of. 42 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Codes work against wind, not water. Honestly, building codes could work for water, however, those on the water would not want to build according to the codes which would be needed. The aesthetic would be "ruined," and/or it is prohibitively expensive to build to these codes as you would have so much unusable living space which you would need to find a way to make aesthetically pleasing, yet of no further use square footage/living space wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyg Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 19 hours ago, Crocodile23 said: Speechless This video made it to Reddit and someone commented that their brother, girlfriend, and two dogs were in that red house/business during the storm. You can actually see someone open the door near the beginning of the video. Apparently they all survived, but were swept out and clung to palm trees. Here's the post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, USCG RS said: Honestly, building codes could work for water, however, those on the water would not want to build according to the codes which would be needed. The aesthetic would be "ruined," and/or it is prohibitively expensive to build to these codes as you would have so much unusable living space which you would need to find a way to make aesthetically pleasing, yet of no further use square footage/living space wise. In Long Beach we have hundreds or more homes now that are garages on the first floor and the living area on the 2nd/3rd. The bottom garage floor is mostly concrete. Either that or the home will have to be on stilts, which isn't "pleasing" but either that or it'll be uninsurable. Optimally these barrier islands just wouldn't be rebuilt but we're talking about FL here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Cyg12 said: This video made it to Reddit and someone commented that their brother, girlfriend, and two dogs were in that red house/business during the storm. You can actually see someone open the door near the beginning of the video. Apparently they all survived, but were swept out and clung to palm trees. Here's the post. Stories like this are while I am hopeful the death toll won't be too high, many of the people the Lee County Sheriff was thinking about found some way to safety. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 SevereStudios has some pretty good cams again today of surge in SC for anyone interested. Pawleys Island seems to getting the worst of it so far. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, USCG RS said: Honestly, building codes could work for water, however, those on the water would not want to build according to the codes which would be needed. The aesthetic would be "ruined," and/or it is prohibitively expensive to build to these codes as you would have so much unusable living space which you would need to find a way to make aesthetically pleasing, yet of no further use square footage/living space wise. Yeah, I was referring to the newer houses built that are not on stilts. A lot of new construction will be fine against 3s and even 4s if done properly. But the same home might be surge prone. That's all I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAPPS Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Ian seems to be deviating from the expected N to NW track. It's trajectory looks more WNW at the moment. Looks like it will make landfall near McClellanville, SC, within the hour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCG RS Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Just now, CoastalWx said: Yeah, I was referring to the newer houses built that are not on stilts. A lot of new construction will be fine against 3s and even 4s if done properly. But the same home might be surge prone. That's all I meant. No, I understand, however, the new homes should be placed on stilts. Unfortunately, the architects and homeowners have no desire to and this is where codes need to be more stringent. In fact, I do not even think codes need to be increased. What -I believe- should happen is you should be given the choice: build on stilts OR you can build how you like, however, Insurance Companies do not have to Insure the property (perhaps even the liability) on the structure. Same thing with Flood Insurance. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 SevereStudios has some pretty good cams again today of surge in SC for anyone interested. Pawleys Island seems to getting the worst of it so far. Can someone link it? I don’t have it saved.Ian definitely build a nice surge on its north side based on buoy readings I have been looking at. That easterly fetch with the high pressure gradient is a very rare setup this far south. Something more like you would see in New England during some of the classic nor’easters. Sc is going to be another major damage area. As JM and I have noted as we both lived in Long Beach Ny, salt water flooding in itself is a disaster as you need to gut down to the studs to properly repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsman Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Just now, LongBeachSurfFreak said: Can someone link it? I don’t have it saved. Ian definitely build a nice surge on its north side based on buoy readings I have been looking at. That easterly fetch with the high pressure gradient is a very rare setup this far south. Something more like you would see in New England during some of the classic nor’easters. Sc is going to be another major damage area. As JM and I have noted as we both lived in Long Beach Ny, salt water flooding in itself is a disaster as you need to gut down to the studs to properly repair . Here's one: https://www.severestudios.com/storm-chasers/jordan.hall.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowenOutThere Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 36 minutes ago, ATDoel said: absolutely incorrect. You can build homes that are essentially surge proof. You sink reinforced concrete piers into the bedrock, raise the first floor above the surge zone, and install break away walls on the ground level. As long as you keep your utilities above the surge zone, even a catastrophic flood would do minimal damage to a house built this way. What you can't do is build a normal slab on grade home and expect it to survive storm surge. Got it, just have a 15 foot concreate raised base on the waterfront which I am sure is allowed by Florida zoning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydbuster Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, CoastalWx said: Parts of Sanibel look like Homestead after Andrew. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsman Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Floydbuster said: Link? https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/ian/index.html#13/26.4579/-82.0780 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Just now, Floydbuster said: Link? I don't have a link, but just some of the video...and also that was a quote from a search and rescue team I saw somewhere on twitter. My guess is that it is older beachfront areas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 I feel like it's an insult having this be a cane. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATDoel Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, SnowenOutThere said: Got it, just have a 15 foot concreate raised base on the waterfront which I am sure is allowed by Florida zoning. No, why would you want a 15' raised slab? Build the house on piers, leave the slab on grade. You can install break away walls on the ground floor so the house will "look" fairly normal and you'll even have some usable space down there. Keep all the main parts of the house on the 2nd floor on top of the first floor assembly and you're good to go. Surge comes in, your walls break away around your garage, damage is minimal, house survives. Easy, it just cost a bit more to build this way and you become more limited in your architecture. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qg_omega Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: I feel like it's an insult having this be a cane. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Add Ian to the list of names that will be retired. Lots of I names in recent years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, qg_omega said: ? Thinking more in the form of winds. It's fine, whatever. It's more like a high end TS. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Nice surge into Myrtle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Thinking more in the form of winds. It's fine, whatever. It's more like a high end TS.That’s always been my issue with the way we classify storms. It shouldn’t be based solely on winds. Ian currently has the surge potential of a normal cat 2 based on IKE, this will be a major disaster for SC. I think it makes a run for costliest hurricane of all time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Most mb --> Cat conversion charts I have seen have Ian being 1mb away from being a Cat 2. Understand it is not that simple since Winds are used as the primary determiner but do not think this is a minimal Cat 1 either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Charleston estimated 6-7” of rain so far in this band. Wonder how susceptible they are to rain flooding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUsedToHateCold Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, jm1220 said: Charleston estimated 6-7” of rain so far in this band. Wonder how susceptible they are to rain flooding. Yeah nobody is talking about the rain for NC and SC, with the modeled track it’s bound to be a flooding hazard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StantonParkHoya Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 I think we have landfall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iceman Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Flooding in pawleys island from the surge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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