CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 minute ago, ORH_wxman said: It’s kind of fake in that it goes away as soon as you mix out. Like many spots around here that were below zero will crack 20F today. There’s definitely a difference in radiaitonal cold vs advected deep cold. Yeah, pipes and cars still have problems but other things like wind chill and rate of daytime warming are vastly different. Maybe some folks hung over and grumpy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEastermass128 Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 Solid moderate here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, CoastalWx said: It’s -16 or so at 850. That’s my point. The cold is just crisp dry air, snow, and HP. That’s why temps are so low. So from a met standpoint, I find that interesting. It is interesting. It's also real. That's my point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Look, somebody has to stand up for all the fake radiator cold weenies. Today that person is me. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: It’s kind of fake in that it goes away as soon as you mix out. Like many spots around here that were below zero will crack 20F today. There’s definitely a difference in radiaitonal cold vs advected deep cold. Yeah, pipes and cars still have problems but other things like wind chill and rate of daytime warming are vastly different. It goes bad quickly at -20F to -30F when pipes start bursting . I totally get it, but man it's cold this morning. Rare levels, which is a novelty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 -15 was the low here. All real cold in Randolph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, JC-CT said: Respectfully disagree...that makes it transient, not fake. Semantics. Not representative of the vertical airmass like a well mixed surface is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Just stated my case lol. Ginxy needs some sexy I think. There you go again with your defiant fantasy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, ORH_wxman said: Semantics. Not representative of the vertical airmass like a well mixed surface is. Fake cold to me would be a cold airmass aloft that never mixes down to the surface, where most of us two legged mostly-hairless mammals live. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 minute ago, ORH_wxman said: Semantics. Not representative of the vertical airmass like a well mixed surface is. I don’t get the sensitivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, CoastalWx said: I don’t get the sensitivity. I'm just looking to fight because I'm angry about our upcoming rainer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, CoastalWx said: I don’t get the sensitivity. Also I'd talk to your doctor about that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, JC-CT said: Fake cold to me would be a cold airmass aloft that never mixes down to the surface, where most of us two legged mostly-hairless mammals live. If it’s that cold aloft it would mix. That’s thermodynamics. But I believe you’re thinking of the downslope dandy phenomenon? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Ok anyways cold as hell up north. Congrats to insurance claims and AAA calls. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 16.5 with flurries and periods of light snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, JC-CT said: Fake cold to me would be a cold airmass aloft that never mixes down to the surface, where most of us two legged mostly-hairless mammals live. Pretty rare to get air masses that don’t mix cold down unless it’s maybe spring time with sun and you get extra diabetic heating that is far more than winter. I’d call that fake warmth…like in March when when you have -2C 850 temps and sun the day before a big storm hits….you hit 52F but then when precip starts it’s in the upper 20th r lower 30s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: Semantics. Not representative of the vertical airmass like a well mixed surface is. We live on the surface 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 EPS looks better next weekend. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 clayton lake got down to -36 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, HoarfrostHubb said: We live on the surface Right, they are now schooling me on meteorology and I was just trying to make this simple point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, HoarfrostHubb said: We live on the surface Please do explain more 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, CT Rain said: EPS looks better next weekend. Look forward to wall to wall coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 minute ago, ORH_wxman said: Pretty rare to get air masses that don’t mix cold down unless it’s maybe spring time with sun and you get extra diabetic heating that is far more than winter. I’d call that fake warmth…like in March when when you have -2C 850 temps and sun the day before a big storm hits….you hit 52F but then when precip starts it’s in the upper 20th r lower 30s. That’s Tip warmth. When he starts talking about warm bums in cars and the first warm day at Fox Hall where the girls start to wear less clothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, ORH_wxman said: Please do explain more Fake lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 We joke about fake cold, but do you honestly think we as meteorologists somehow think otherwise? It’s a joke guys. Our point is that it was just ideal radiational cooling since temps aloft aren’t too cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 It is impressive up north. No denying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, CoastalWx said: We joke about fake cold, but do you honestly think we as meteorologists somehow think otherwise? It’s a joke guys. Our point is that it was just ideal radiational cooling since temps aloft aren’t too cold. There are undertones of weather weenie geographical classism. We need to support our valley downslopers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 MWN was +3° while Alex was -30°. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Man this board needs snow. May as well give the area from Lewiston to Dendrite and Mitch on north to Canada. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: If it’s that cold aloft it would mix. That’s thermodynamics. But I believe you’re thinking of the downslope dandy phenomenon? All we get is fake weather… mixed out valley in warm season when it’s 90F in May with a dew of 40F and DIT is raging that it’s not hot. Its the transient of a lot of it, whether it’s fluffy snow, radiational cooling, real low RH heat that drops 30F the minute the sun goes down… transient stuff gets the moniker of fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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