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October Discussion: Bring the Frost-Hold the Snow


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8 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Not New England where we live . Who cares about The Dakotas 

Growing season is over in all of NNE and it's over in most of MA too....so they won't issue any advisories in those spots going forward.

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Just now, Typhoon Tip said:

Just on an early wienersChnitzel goof ...

what are the latest date of a first frost records for HFD/ORH/PVD/BOS/CON/ ...ETC  ?

Do you mean 36F? Official frosts are not tracked...they use 36F as the marker, but we all know 36F comes in many different flavors and many won't produce frost.

Freeze is a lot easier...it's just first date of 32F

 

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1 minute ago, ORH_wxman said:

Growing season is over in all of NNE and it's over in most of MA too....so they won't issue any advisories in those spots going forward.

Cold isn't the whole story...

Plants need cyclic gestation, and can't do it in perpetuity like that.  Even tropical plants have fruiting and dormancy intervals that oscillate. 

A lot of annuals that people plant for garden hobbies need more sun than tepid slope insolation and will tend to cease growth production. 

I mean if one wants to define the end of growing season as a hard lined 28 F ice in the bird bath morning than that's fine two.. but by and large, nothing is pragmatically growing anyway.   Lawns are green, but the actual growth has slowed down around here anyway - as a direct evidence of this. So while not a hard stopped, ...it's is over for all intents and purposes

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4 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Do you mean 36F? Official frosts are not tracked...they use 36F as the marker, but we all know 36F comes in many different flavors and many won't produce frost.

Freeze is a lot easier...it's just first date of 32F

 

Yeah... good insight - I was really thinking 32F

but I suppose for posterity ... latest that a car topped glowed but no one or agency really has that ...least I don't think. Lol

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3 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Yeah... good insight - I was really thinking 32F

but I suppose for posterity ... latest that a car topped glowed but no one or agency really has that ...least I don't think. Lol

Latest 32F by station:

BOS: 12/6 (2009)

ORH: 11/12 (1977)

BDL: 11/11 (1920)

PVD: 11/19 (1935)

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16 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Growing season is over in all of NNE and it's over in most of MA too....so they won't issue any advisories in those spots going forward.

I know but what I mean it’s absurd how late the frosts and freezes are going to be this year. Other than Spanker in Southbury and maybe Tamarack and Alex no one has sniffed 30-32 needed . I don’t consider 33-36 a frost or freeze . And now next week looks rainy and cloudy so we lost that opportunity 

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13 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Latest 32F by station:

BOS: 12/6 (2009)

ORH: 11/12 (1977)

BDL: 11/11 (1920)

PVD: 11/19 (1935)

I believe the old average first AOB 32 for BOS is 11/7.   Anecdotally, it appears to me that within 7 days of that date doesn’t negatively foretell winter but >10 days does.  That 12/6/09 date has me flummoxed.  While it was a frustrating winter, it was by no means warm.

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7 minutes ago, snowman21 said:

For the purpose of watches and warnings, the season is over once you hit a certain date regardless of if it's really over.

It's clearly mostly solar driven. The small plants here are simply done even though there hasn't even really been a frost yet. The sun is weak right now and goes behind the ridges early, and the plants are shutting down. 

The bugs are acting really weird. They are supposed to be dead by now. Probably like a human living to 175 years old, just start going loopy and begging for death. LOL

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10th, 50th, 90th percentiles for first 32F based on 1981-2010 normals:

HUL   ME  HOULTON AP                      SEP  2    SEP 17    OCT  1
BML   NH  BERLIN MUNI AP                  SEP  3    SEP 18    OCT  1
IZG   ME  FRYEBURG E SLOPES AP            SEP  8    SEP 24    OCT  5
CAR   ME  CARIBOU WFO                     SEP 12    SEP 26    OCT  8
FVE   ME  FRENCHVILLE AROOSTOOK AP        SEP 11    SEP 27    OCT  9
MPV   VT  MONTPELIER AP                   SEP 17    SEP 29    OCT 10
MVL   VT  MORRISVILLE STOWE STATE AP      SEP 14    SEP 29    OCT  9
CON   NH  CONCORD ASOS                    SEP 16    SEP 30    OCT  9
DDH   VT  BENNINGTON MORSE ST AP          SEP 19    OCT  1    OCT 13
AFN   NH  JAFFREY                         SEP 19    OCT  2    OCT 14
VSF   VT  SPRINGFIELD HARTNESS AP         SEP 22    OCT  2    OCT 13
ORE   MA  ORANGE MUNI AP                  SEP 22    OCT  3    OCT 14
MLT   ME  MILLINOCKET FAA AP              SEP 21    OCT  3    OCT 15
1V4   VT  SAINT JOHNSBURY                 SEP 23    OCT  3    OCT 12
BGR   ME  BANGOR AP                       SEP 23    OCT  4    OCT 16
PSF   MA  PITTSFIELD WB AP                SEP 22    OCT  4    OCT 17
AQW   MA  NORTH ADAMS                     SEP 25    OCT  5    OCT 18
LEB   NH  LEBANON MUNI AP                 SEP 25    OCT  5    OCT 15
IWI   ME  WISCASSET AP                    SEP 26    OCT  5    OCT 17
DAW   NH  ROCHESTER SKYHAVEN AP           SEP 23    OCT  5    OCT 17
GNR   ME  GREENVILLE MAINE FORESTRY SVC   SEP 24    OCT  6    OCT 20
BAF   MA  WESTFIELD 2 NE AP               SEP 26    OCT  6    OCT 19
BTV   VT  BURLINGTON WSO AP               SEP 28    OCT  8    OCT 20
TAN   MA  TAUNTON MUNI AP                 SEP 28    OCT  8    OCT 28
FIT   MA  FITCHBURG MUNI AP               SEP 29    OCT 10    OCT 25
PWM   ME  PORTLAND JETPORT                SEP 30    OCT 10    OCT 21
MVY   MA  VINEYARD HAVEN AP               SEP 26    OCT 10    OCT 30
IJD   CT  WILLIMANTIC WINDHAM AP          OCT  1    OCT 11    OCT 26
PYM   MA  PLYMOUTH MUNI AP                OCT  1    OCT 12    OCT 26
BVY   MA  BEVERLY MUNI AP                 OCT  1    OCT 12    OCT 26
DXR   CT  DANBURY MUNI AP                 OCT  1    OCT 13    OCT 28
BDL   CT  HARTFORD                        OCT  1    OCT 13    OCT 30
EWB   MA  NEW BEDFORD MUNI AP             OCT  1    OCT 13    OCT 28
BED   MA  BEDFORD HANSCOM FLD             OCT  1    OCT 14    OCT 31
AUG   ME  AUGUSTA FAA AP                  OCT  2    OCT 14    OCT 28
LWM   MA  LAWRENCE MUNI AP                OCT  2    OCT 14    OCT 29
MHT   NH  MANCHESTER AP                   OCT  3    OCT 14    OCT 30
MMK   CT  MERIDEN MARKHAM MUNI AP         OCT  2    OCT 14    OCT 31
GYX   ME  GRAY                            OCT  3    OCT 16    OCT 30
ORH   MA  WORCESTER                       OCT  5    OCT 19    NOV  2
WST   RI  WESTERLY STATE AP               OCT  8    OCT 21    NOV  5
EPO   ME  EASTPORT                        OCT  7    OCT 21    NOV  3
MQE   MA  BLUE HILL                       OCT  8    OCT 22    NOV  5
HYA   MA  HYANNIS BARNSTABLE MUNI AP      OCT 10    OCT 24    NOV  9
NZW   MA  SOUTH WEYMOUTH NAS              OCT 10    OCT 25    NOV  8
GON   CT  GROTON NEW LONDON AP            OCT 11    OCT 25    NOV  9
PVD   RI  PROVIDENCE                      OCT 11    OCT 25    NOV  8
UUU   RI  NEWPORT STATE AP                OCT 17    NOV  1    NOV 16
CQX   MA  CHATHAM MUNI AP                 OCT 19    NOV  2    NOV 18
BDR   CT  BRIDGEPORT SIKORSKY AP          OCT 18    NOV  3    NOV 18
BOS   MA  BOSTON                          OCT 27    NOV  8    NOV 21
ACK   MA  NANTUCKET FAA AP                OCT 23    NOV  9    NOV 24
BID   RI  BLOCK ISLAND STATE AP           OCT 26    NOV 11    NOV 28
CHH   MA  CHATHAM                         NOV  1    NOV 15    NOV 29

 

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59 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Cold isn't the whole story...

Plants need cyclic gestation, and can't do it in perpetuity like that.  Even tropical plants have fruiting and dormancy intervals that oscillate. 

A lot of annuals that people plant for garden hobbies need more sun than tepid slope insolation and will tend to cease growth production. 

I mean if one wants to define the end of growing season as a hard lined 28 F ice in the bird bath morning than that's fine two.. but by and large, nothing is pragmatically growing anyway.   Lawns are green, but the actual growth has slowed down around here anyway - as a direct evidence of this. So while not a hard stopped, ...it's is over for all intents and purposes

Yep, it’s why the garden here died weeks ago despite no freezing temps.  Everything shriveled up and brown, already pulled from the ground now.  Solar matters a lot.  The early shadows cast by hillsides and such seemed to kill it before a frost could this year.

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1 hour ago, CoastalWx said:

Plants still thriving except for the usual suspects like Hosta which start to die out regardless of temps. But, Lawntober continues. What a day. 

78 for the high. Still haven't been below 51 here. Everything is still green including the palms at a nearby bar on the shore. 

 

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5 minutes ago, BrianW said:

78 for the high. Still haven't been below 51 here. Everything is still green including the palms at a nearby bar on the shore. 

 

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There are also some palms at The Pavilion on Soundview Beach and the New London City Dock Restaurant. I wonder where they go when it gets cold or where they even got them from.

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23 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

guess they move those in somewhere for the winter?

 There is a palm tree nursery in Cheshire that rents them for the summer and they store them inside in the winter. They have become really popular the last few years at places. I read an article that the guy started it as a hobby and it just took off. His business is booming. People also plant hardy ones along the shoreline that survive year round. 

https://www.ctpalmtrees.com/

 

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