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January Long Range Disco Thread


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Gefs was a great run. Very cold. Blocking keeps holding stronger and longer..likely runs into Feb now. For those that want to pull hints from clown maps...the day 6-16 snow mean has a max over VA. The snow belt regions will always have a max from upslope and lake effect but otherwise the max snow axis runs just to our south. That’s a good signal.

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Ji will be along to take a dump on it in 3...2...1...

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1 minute ago, psuhoffman said:

Gefs was a great run. Very cold. Blocking keeps holding stronger and longer..likely runs into Feb now. For those that want to pull hints from clown maps...the day 6-16 snow mean has a max over VA. The snow belt regions will always have a max from upslope and lake effect but otherwise the max snow axis runs just to our south. That’s a good signal.

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Ji will be along to take a dump on it in 3...2...1...

GEFS always shows snow  when the OP Does not. Then when the OP shows snow, the ensembles do not. whooo---4.5 inches during peak climo with a severe -AO,-NAO, -EPO

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3 minutes ago, WinterWxLuvr said:

Just can’t help thinking that we have to get a little western Atlantic or se ridging to get these storms to come north a bit. I’d totally prefer cutters into cad over this. I’m done with the “we want it south of us at this range” thinking.

I wouldn’t mind getting the -pna a bit further south out west. A more SE to NE gradient would help.  So long as the blocking is ape like that we will need to get lucky we timing up a wave and phasing it to buckle the flow or getting a temporary weakness in the flow...But the blocking will relax eventually and as that happens with a very cold airmass likely rooted in the US...that’s when things could get more interesting. 

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14 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

Gefs was a great run. Very cold. Blocking keeps holding stronger and longer..likely runs into Feb now. For those that want to pull hints from clown maps...the day 6-16 snow mean has a max over VA. The snow belt regions will always have a max from upslope and lake effect but otherwise the max snow axis runs just to our south. That’s a good signal.

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Ji will be along to take a dump on it in 3...2...1...

considering the default is 3 no matter what the winter is---its really 1 -2 inches

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5 minutes ago, WinterWxLuvr said:

Just can’t help thinking that we have to get a little western Atlantic or se ridging to get these storms to come north a bit. I’d totally prefer cutters into cad over this. I’m done with the “we want it south of us at this range” thinking.

Very selfish of you.:P

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6 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

I wouldn’t mind getting the -pna a bit further south out west. A more SE to NE gradient would help.  So long as the blocking is ape like that we will need to get lucky we timing up a wave and phasing it to buckle the flow or getting a temporary weakness in the flow...But the blocking will relax eventually and as that happens with a very cold airmass likely rooted in the US...that’s when things could get more interesting. 

I agree. You can see the over running potential as well as that of an amped system cutting and hitting a wall and throwing us some precip into what is like to be some stout cad.

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Just now, Ji said:

considering the default is 3 no matter what the winter is---its really 1 -2 inches

We’ve had a lot of runs less then 3. Since they upgraded the GEFS it’s snow maps have been less stupid skewed high by outliers.  But also that’s a 10 day mean not 16. So you’re exaggerating and comparing a 10 day to a typical 16 day map. 
 

BTW the euro wasn’t that far from a better solution. 
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we need 1 and 2 to phase. Instead they don’t and flatten each other out. We need 3 to be a couple hundred miles east...or not there at all..timing up a wave rotating down a trapped 50/50 at day 8 is hard.  It’s not out of the question. I don’t care about details past about 150 because they change run to run a lot.  150 in I want to see it closer because the adjustments seem to be more incremental once inside about that range. 

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Just now, psuhoffman said:

We’ve had a lot of runs less then 3. Since they upgraded the GEFS it’s snow maps have been less stupid skewed high by outliers.  But also that’s a 10 day mean not 16. So you’re exaggerating and comparing a 10 day to a typical 16 day map. 
 

BTW the euro wasn’t that far from a better solution. 
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we need 1 and 2 to phase. Instead they don’t and flatten each other out. We need 3 to be a couple hundred miles east...or not there at all..timing up a wave rotating down a trapped 50/50 at day 8 is hard.  It’s not out of the question. I don’t care about details past about 150 because they change run to run a lot.  150 in I want to see it closer because the adjustments seem to be more incremental once inside about that range. 

Love that look at at that range number 3 is likely modeled too far west.

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Just can’t help thinking that we have to get a little western Atlantic or se ridging to get these storms to come north a bit. I’d totally prefer cutters into cad over this. I’m done with the “we want it south of us at this range” thinking.

Seems like the EPS Control followed this line of thinking.. although it cuts the primary into Indiana lol. FWIW still a healthy signal during that time on the main ensemble.


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12 minutes ago, Dabuckeyes said:

That looks close.  To me it looks positive tilt going neutral.  If I had to guess I would say if a storm is there it would be a close miss to the south.  Would love to see a next frame.

Same here... but the UKMET only goes out to 144 lol.  That's why I was asking if we were to extrapolate out another 12 to 24 hours if this would be good for us or a miss

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