LibertyBell Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said: A normal winter would be a big win. Indeed! One thing that I am starting to see again that is similar to last winter already is that it is warmer farther north.....because of more sunshine? High was 69 at Allentown yesterday with fog while it was 75 at Scranton. I also heard it was in the 70s up in Vermont? I wonder if this is a general pattern that will continue going forward. If you look at temperature departures at least in the northeast, the warm anomalies increase as you go north. It's almost like the furnace that is the Arctic has a fire burning up there that is now spreading southward. It's also logical that the center north of the country and the Mountain west would be the last hold outs to widespread warmth because they are the farthest away from the oceans and the oceans are heat sinks that absorb carbon most quickly (becoming acidic in the process and destroying coral reefs.) Being away from the influence of ocean heat sinks is also why Antarctica is not warming as quickly as the Arctic, although that may be in the process of changing now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 45 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said: Many La Niña winters have a lot of warmth, so a warm winter is certainly on the table. could still be like 2005-06 and we get one big storm (although that was a la nina after an el nino which can be very snowy.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 57 minutes ago, LoboLeader1 said: I had to turn on the C/A yesterday, due to the humid conditions. Fog was horrible this AM. we need a largescale dehumidifier to get rid of this crap and transport it to where wildfires are occurring. transport that excess rain in the southeast to the wildfire regions! we need a massive transfer of moisture, humanity needs to start geoengineering 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Gorilla Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Tired of the cloudy humid weather. And it looks like more of the same into next week. Ugh. I too need my AC on at night to sleep better due to high humidity. Never used to need the AC so late into October. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I usually have my AC covered by now to keep the leaves out but we've needed to run it for an hour or two to dry the house out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Indeed! One thing that I am starting to see again that is similar to last winter already is that it is warmer farther north.....because of more sunshine? High was 69 at Allentown yesterday with fog while it was 75 at Scranton. I also heard it was in the 70s up in Vermont? I wonder if this is a general pattern that will continue going forward. If you look at temperature departures at least in the northeast, the warm anomalies increase as you go north. It's almost like the furnace that is the Arctic has a fire burning up there that is now spreading southward. It's also logical that the center north of the country and the Mountain west would be the last hold outs to widespread warmth because they are the farthest away from the oceans and the oceans are heat sinks that absorb carbon most quickly (becoming acidic in the process and destroying coral reefs.) Being away from the influence of ocean heat sinks is also why Antarctica is not warming as quickly as the Arctic, although that may be in the process of changing now. I'm not a fan of comparing current temps to the averages during the past 30 years. The comparison should be made over the entire data set for a location. Have you read the 2 volume set Early American Wnters? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclab Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: we need a largescale dehumidifier to get rid of this crap and transport it to where wildfires are occurring. transport that excess rain in the southeast to the wildfire regions! we need a massive transfer of moisture, humanity needs to start geoengineering Careful, LB, the companies that would supply the energy for such an undertaking just got a woody. As always .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Sun already coming out here. 65 degrees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Just now, Brian5671 said: Sun already coming out here. 65 degrees. nice July morning.......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 45 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said: I'm not a fan of comparing current temps to the averages during the past 30 years. The comparison should be made over the entire data set for a location. Have you read the 2 volume set Early American Wnters? Not yet but I am a big fan of weather histories, specifically 1600s-1800s. Where did you obtain it? Yes, I find 30 years to be very arbitrary, I would expand it to 1950 and beyond as that is when most airport stations came "on line." So if you compare the last 60-70 years let's say, you'll be dealing with a similar time frame across most official locations that report weather data.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said: nice July morning.......... I remember saying that last January when we were near 70 in the middle of the night and getting thunderstorms! and I drove through a forested area that was experiencing a wildfire back in February (Delaware Water Gap.) Found out later they had another one in May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 48 minutes ago, gravitylover said: I usually have my AC covered by now to keep the leaves out but we've needed to run it for an hour or two to dry the house out. I run my space heater at 80 to do the same thing lol. Also it dries out my nasal passages and reduces my allergies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, LibertyBell said: we need a largescale dehumidifier to get rid of this crap and transport it to where wildfires are occurring. transport that excess rain in the southeast to the wildfire regions! we need a massive transfer of moisture, humanity needs to start geoengineering hey it would be cheaper than trying to fight all these multbillion dollar disasters year after year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 everyone go outside and run hair dryers so we can burn off this garbage faster 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 it feels as muggy today as it did on hot summer days had to turn the a.c on... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH L.I Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Great Snow 1717 said: nice July morning.......... it's 65 with mist in NYC at 10am..that's a July morning?. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, KEITH L.I said: it's 65 with mist in NYC at 10am..that's a July morning?. Closer to a July morning than an October morning ....... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, KEITH L.I said: it's 65 with mist in NYC at 10am..that's a July morning?. more like late August or early June I think....at least the birds sound happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 reminds me of the June gloom we often see on the coast here when the waters are still cold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH L.I Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: reminds me of the June gloom we often see on the coast here when the waters are still cold Reminds me of the night John Lennon was killed..It was 60 degrees at midnight with fog and rain..This was December 8th..2 weeks later it was 0 degrees.I remember Nov 13th 1993 it was close to 80 degrees followed by a cold,snowy winter .In weather things always change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Another 3-6 coming for msp Sunday with temps in the 20’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Allsnow said: Another 3-6 coming for msp Sunday with temps in the 20’s I think they average 60 inches of snow a year? They'll be 20% there if they get another 6" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 love when the dewpoint is the same as the average high 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: I think they average 60 inches of snow a year? They'll be 20% there if they get another 6" And they only avg .6 for October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, forkyfork said: love when the dewpoint is the same as the average high A/C back on again, feels like a August morning after a thunderstorm the night before 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Breaks of sun now in Suffolk slowing working to the west. http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/PSUGOES_PA2/loop30v.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Great Snow 1717 said: I'm not a fan of comparing current temps to the averages during the past 30 years. The comparison should be made over the entire data set for a location. Have you read the 2 volume set Early American Wnters? That’s a great set of books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, bluewave said: Breaks of sun now in Suffolk slowing working to the west. http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/PSUGOES_PA2/loop30v.html weird to see it clearing from the east-almost like a backdoor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Everyone talking about the humidity and yes it's high for this time of year, but it's still nothing compared to the type of humidity we get in the summer when we have oppressive dewpoints in the 70s. Everyone is different, but to me a dewpoint of 64 doesn't feel bad at all. The humidity doesn't start feeling uncomfortable to me until the dewpoint gets to the low 70s. I went for a 7 mile run last night and didn't feel the 64 dewpoint one bit. In fact I liked it because it was nice that it felt warm enough out to be able to run with just a t-shirt on at night this time of year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qg_omega Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 49 minutes ago, winterwx21 said: Everyone talking about the humidity and yes it's high for this time of year, but it's still nothing compared to the type of humidity we get in the summer when we have oppressive dewpoints in the 70s. Everyone is different, but to me a dewpoint of 64 doesn't feel bad at all. The humidity doesn't start feeling uncomfortable to me until the dewpoint gets to the low 70s. I went for a 7 mile run last night and didn't feel the 64 dewpoint one bit. In fact I liked it because it was nice that it felt warm enough out to be able to run with just a t-shirt on at night this time of year. Relative humidity has been very high, hence all of the fog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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