JustinRP37 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I'm fine with the cooler than normal daytime temperatures, but I do not want the heat on and I definitely do not want to hav windows closed because it is cold. We already have a small outbreak where I teach and being indoors with windows closed will only make things worse. This is one year where I would be okay with warmer than average temperatures for much of winter, as much as I love snow and skiing, I am very worried about increasing risk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 37 minutes ago, forkyfork said: thankfully periods like this are an aberration lowering sun angle is responsible for cooler temps... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 24 minutes ago, nycwinter said: lowering sun angle is responsible for cooler temps... The sun angle has been decreasing for three months. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 3 hours ago, jm1220 said: Awesome satellite image of Teddy out there heading for Nova Scotia. Definitely expanding big time and becoming extra tropical but still 100mph storm. Cool to look at but glad it’s not headed this way. Probably the best looking system in that region since the 950mb benchmark blizzard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 17 hours ago, uncle W said: NYC has three days in a row with a morning low temp of 50 or lower...the last time that happened was 2000? Should be 4 nights in a row, what were the local area lows this morning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 4 hours ago, donsutherland1 said: Morning thoughts... Today started off with very chilly and, in some cases, near record low temperatures. Minimum temperatures included: Albany: 32°; Allentown: 36°; Bridgeport: 43°; Boston: 45°; Islip: 43°; New York City: 48°; Newark: 46°; Philadelphia: 47°; Poughkeepsie: 33°; Providence: 45°; Westhampton: 32°; and, White Plains: 42°. Under bright sunshine, a noticeable warmup should commence today. The temperature will likely top out mainly in the lower 70s across the region. Likely high temperatures around the region include: New York City (Central Park): 72° Newark: 74° Philadelphia: 73° Above normal temperatures will likely continue through the remainder of this week. Thanks, Don! The earliest freezing temp at FOK? I see we were down in the mid 40s again at JFK! Looks like we had a similar cool streak in 2000 and that was a la nina winter too, I guess it will come down to December if we have a snowy winter or not..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 hours ago, forkyfork said: thankfully periods like this are an aberration I like this weather for stargazing, glad the clouds are staying away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 hour ago, bluewave said: Probably the best looking system in that region since the 950mb benchmark blizzard. That was like a mini version of the Jan 2016 long duration blizzard! Didn't the Jan 2018 bomb have a record storm surge at Boston, surpassing the one from Feb 1978? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Happy 1st day of Autumn 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyWx Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Textbook weather for the first day of Fall. Gorgeous skies and warm sun, can't beat it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Thanks, Don! The earliest freezing temp at FOK? I see we were down in the mid 40s again at JFK! Looks like we had a similar cool streak in 2000 and that was a la nina winter too, I guess it will come down to December if we have a snowy winter or not..... Yes, it was the earliest freezing temperature at FOK. The prior record was set on October 2, 1998 and tied on October 2, 2009. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said: Yes, it was the earliest freezing temperature at FOK. The prior record was set on October 2, 1998 and tied on October 2, 2009. Thanks, Don. Let's see if we can get the longest freeze season on record....when was the latest ever freeze at FOK, Don? I think it may have been around the summer solstice actually, in June 1967? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: That was like a mini version of the Jan 2016 long duration blizzard! Didn't the Jan 2018 bomb have a record storm surge at Boston, surpassing the one from Feb 1978? That was the one. Record blizzard in January...first February 80°...30” of snow in March on Long Island. So the big winter weather swings which have been occurring more frequently in recent years. https://mashable.com/2018/01/04/bomb-cyclone-costal-flooding-boston/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, bluewave said: That was the one. Record blizzard in January...first February 80°...30” of snow in March on Long Island. So the big winter weather swings which have been occurring more frequently in recent years. https://mashable.com/2018/01/04/bomb-cyclone-costal-flooding-boston/ Yes! The one which immediately comes to my mind is 2015-16, what a wild winter that was! JFK 40"+ of snow and 40 degree F avg winter temp! Was even below zero on Valentine's Day! Also going from 2014-15 to 2015-16 was a huge shock (one of the coldest Feb in 2015 to the warmest Dec in 2015). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Yes! The one which immediately comes to my mind is 2015-16, what a wild winter that was! Also going from 2014-15 to 2015-16 was a huge shock (one of the coldest Feb in 2015 to the warmest Dec in 2015). The winter weather swings in recent years have been remarkable. With the exception of 10-11, all my recent favorite snowstorms have occurred during winters with some extreme warmth. 15-16...16-17...17-18....etc...I missed the best jackpots during the colder 13-14 and 14-15 winters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 23 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Thanks, Don. Let's see if we can get the longest freeze season on record....when was the latest ever freeze at FOK, Don? I think it may have been around the summer solstice actually, in June 1967? The latest freeze was May 22, 2002. This year’s last freeze was May 21 when the temperature fell to 29 degrees, tying the record set in 2002. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said: The latest freeze was May 22, 2002. This year’s last freeze was May 21 when the temperature fell to 29 degrees, tying the record set in 2002. hmmm does that mean FOK had its shortest growing season on record this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 25 minutes ago, bluewave said: The winter weather swings in recent years have been remarkable. With the exception of 10-11, all my recent favorite snowstorms have occurred during winters with some extreme warmth. 15-16...16-17...17-18....etc...I missed the best jackpots during the colder 13-14 and 14-15 winters. what I liked about 14-15 was that the winter was both extremely cold and snowy and we had prolonged snowcover, especially in February and March! Reminded me of 1966-67 in some ways.....Jan 2016 made up for the Jan 2015 debacle lol. 2013-14 was annoying to me because of how we mixed over to sleet and rain so often with snow just barely to our north....and then areas to our south got hit in March while we missed out lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 minute ago, LibertyBell said: hmmm does that mean FOK had its shortest growing season on record this year? Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: what I liked about 14-15 was that the winter was both extremely cold and snowy and we had prolonged snowcover, especially in February and March! Reminded me of 1966-67 in some ways.....Jan 2016 made up for the Jan 2015 debacle lol. 2013-14 was annoying to me because of how we mixed over to sleet and rain so often with snow just barely to our north....and then areas to our south got hit in March while we missed out lol Yeah, the continuous -EPO/+PNA was great if you liked cold and extended snow cover in 13-14 and 14-15. But the lack of -NAO left much to be desired in the KU extreme snowfall department. I will take individual snowstorm quality every time over extended snow cover and cold. Even if it means +13 in December or 80° in February. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, bluewave said: Yeah, the continuous -EPO/+PNA was great if you liked cold and extended snow cover in 13-14 and 14-15. But the lack of -NAO left much to be desired in the KU extreme snowfall department. I will take individual snowstorm quality every time over extended snow cover and cold. Even if it means +13 in December or 80° in February. Yes, Jan 2016 was more memorable than any other single event this decade (and maybe of my life). 2010-11 extended snowcover winter was something to behold too, pity it died in February, it was on the way to being our best winter ever. Had that winter persisted, we could have gotten 100" of snow that winter, like some of the greatest pre-1900 winters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 1 minute ago, LibertyBell said: Yes, Jan 2016 was more memorable than any other single event this decade (and maybe of my life). 2010-11 extended snowcover winter was something to behold too, pity it died in February, it was on the way to being our best winter ever. Had that winter persisted, we could have gotten 100" of snow that winter, like some of the greatest pre-1900 winters. If it’s another 2010-11 type winter it would be awesome for me. In Long Beach at the time we had plenty of snow like elsewhere on the island but marginal events and changeovers to rain knocked the snowpack down on the south shore but it stayed solid up here where I am now. Huge snow cover difference by Feb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, jm1220 said: If it’s another 2010-11 type winter it would be awesome for me. In Long Beach at the time we had plenty of snow like elsewhere on the island but marginal events and changeovers to rain knocked the snowpack down on the south shore but it stayed solid up here where I am now. Huge snow cover difference by Feb. Yes plus snowcover seems to disappear pretty quickly on the south shore later in the season even when it's still cold enough....I think it has to do with being near the ocean and also all the concrete around..... But Dec 26-Feb 14 was an extremely long snow cover and it lasted that long even down here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Yes, Jan 2016 was more memorable than any other single event this decade (and maybe of my life). 2010-11 extended snowcover winter was something to behold too, pity it died in February, it was on the way to being our best winter ever. Had that winter persisted, we could have gotten 100" of snow that winter, like some of the greatest pre-1900 winters. One of my all-time favorites in Jan 2016 also. 10-11 could have surpassed 95-96 in spots had it continued another 30-45 days. 10-11 had snowstorm quality and extended snow cover. Maximum 33-Day Total Snowfall for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Value Ending Date Missing Days 1 61.5 2011-01-27 0 2 53.6 2011-01-26 0 3 48.7 1978-02-14 0 4 45.7 1978-02-18 0 5 45.5 1961-02-16 0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Teddy looks really nice If only this was further west Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Teddy looks really nice If only this was further west October has shown itself to be the month where we get our strongest TC (at least over the last 15 years or so). Not that most sane people want that to impact them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 2 hours ago, JerseyWx said: Textbook weather for the first day of Fall. Gorgeous skies and warm sun, can't beat it. As best as you're gonna get. I wonder if the early cool down and rather dry conditions will trigger early foliage this year. I'm already seeing colors popping up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Teddy looks really nice If only this was further west anything to make overtime... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 27 minutes ago, bluewave said: One of my all-time favorites in Jan 2016 also. 10-11 could have surpassed 95-96 in spots had it continued another 30-45 days. 10-11 had snowstorm quality and extended snow cover. Maximum 33-Day Total Snowfall for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Value Ending Date Missing Days 1 61.5 2011-01-27 0 2 53.6 2011-01-26 0 3 48.7 1978-02-14 0 4 45.7 1978-02-18 0 5 45.5 1961-02-16 0 I think there's an index that ranks seasons by "snowfall quality" and the severity of winter cold....2014-15, 2010-11, 2002-03, 1995-96, 1977-78, 1960-61, 1947-48, 1933-34, 1917-18 and 1898-99 are near the top of that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I like snow in December...I like it better if it stays around for a while...the snow depth table below shows snow depth for each day...my favorite years were from 1959-1970...8 of 12 years had snow on the ground Christmas day... the best snow depth years for Newark NJ in December... December.....dates....t = trace falling....T = trace on the ground...trace is less than 0.5"... season..01.02..03..04..05..06..07..08..09.10.11..12..13..14..15..16..17..18..19..20..21..22..23..24..25.26..27..28..29..30..31 2017...….0....0....0....0....0....t.....0....0....4...4.....1....0....t.....2....1....1....0....t.....0....0....0....0....0....t.....0....0....0....0....0....1....1 2013...….0....0....0....0....0....0....0....1....0....2....1....0....0....4....3....2....4....3....2....2....0....0....0....t.....0....t.....0....0....0....0....0 2010...….0....0....0....0....0.....t....t.....0....t.....0....0....0....T....T....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0...18..24..20..16..14..13 2009...….0....0....0....0....T....0....0....0....0....t.....t.....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....7....8....6....6....5....5....4....1....0....0....0....0....2 2008...….0....0....0....0....0....t.....t.....0....0....0....0....0....t.....0....0....2....1....0....5....3....4....2....2....2....0....0....0....0....0....0....T 2005...….0....t.....0....4....2....1....T....T....6....5....4....4....3....3....3....T.....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....T 2003...….t.....T....0....0....8..16..14..11,,,,9....6....0....0....t.....4....1....0....0....t.....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0 2002...….T....0....t.....0....7....7....6....4....2....1....1....T....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....T....4....2....1....T....0....0....0 2000...….0....0....0....0....0....0....0....T....0....0....0....0....0....t.....0....0....0....0....t.....1....T....T....0....0....0....0....0....0....0...14..12 season..01.02..03..04..05..06..07..08..09.10.11..12..13..14..15..16..17..18..19..20..21..22..23..24..25.26..27..28..29..30..31 1995...….T....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....1....T....T....T....T....1....1.....T....T....0....7..10....9....9....5....4....4....3....3....3....2....2....2 1990...….0....0....0....0....t.....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....t.....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....1....8....4....2....0 1980...….0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....T....T....0....t.....1....1....T....0....0....0....0....0....1....1....1....1....1....1....T....0....0 1979...….0....0....0....0....0....0....0....t.....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....3....4....2....1....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0 1976...….0....T....T....t.....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....T....0....0....0....T....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....1....5....4....6....5....4....4 1975...….0....0....0....0....0....0....0....t.....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....t.....t.....t....T....2....2....1....1....0....0....0....0....t.....0 1973...….0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....1....2....2....1....1....T....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....t 1970...….0....0....0....0....t.....T....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....T....t.....0....0....0....0....T....2....2....1....1....2....1....1....T....T....T 1969...….1....T....0....0....0....0....t.....0....0....0....0....0....0....1....T....T....0....T....T.....t......t.....t.....t....T....3....6....5....5....4....3....2 1968...….0....0....0....0....t.....0....0....t.....0....0....0....0....0....T....3....3....2....1....T....T.....0....1....0....t.....0....0....2....2....0....0....0 1966...….0....0....0....0....t.....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....1....1....0....0....0....0....0....T....2....1....1....7....8....7....6....6....4....1....1 1964...….0....0....0....0....0....1....T....T....T....0....0....0....0....0....T.....0....0....T....0....3....3....2....2....T....0....0....0....0....0....0....0 1963...….t.....t.....0....0....0....0....0....0....t.....t.....0....2....1....1....1....1....T....1....1....1....1....1....7....7....5....4....3....3....3....3....3 1962...….0....0....0....0....0....t.....T....0....2....1....1....1....1....T....T....T....T.....0....0....0....3....4....3....2....3....3....T....T....T.....T....T 1961...….0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....1....2....T....0....0....0....0....T....T....0....0....0....0....0....6..10....8....6....5....2....2....2....2 1960...….t.....0....0....0....0....0....0....t.....0....0....4..20..19..17..15..13....8....6....6....6....5....2....2....2....2....2....1....1....3....2....1 1959...….0....0....0....0....0....0....2....T....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....3....5....4....3....3....2....1....0....2....T....0 season..01.02..03..04..05..06..07..08..09.10.11..12..13..14..15..16..17..18..19..20..21..22..23..24..25.26..27..28..29..30..31 1958...….0....0....t.....0....0....t.....t.....1....4....2....2....1....1....1....1....T....T....0,,,,0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0 1957...….0....0....1..12....9....8....4....0....0....t.....3....3....1....1....T....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0 1955...….0....t.....0....0....0....0....0....0....T....T....0....0....0....0....t.....0....0....0....T....0....0....3....3....2....0....0....0....0....T....T.....T 1951...….0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....T....t.....4....2....2....2....1....1....T....0....0....0....0....T....0....0....0....t.....0....0 1950...….0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....t.....0....0....0....0....T....T....0....0....0....0....0....T....0....0.…T....3....3....2....1....T....0 1948...….0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....3....2....0....0...13..10..10...6....3....3....3....3....3....2....1....0....3 1947...….0....0....0....0....t.....0....0....0....0....1....T....T....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....0....1....1....1...26..20..19..17..15..15 1945...….1....T....t.....0....0....0....0....0....0....1....t.....0....T....2....2....1....1....1...10...7....6....6....6....5....4....0....0....T....2....T....0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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