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3 minutes ago, losetoa6 said:

Just curious.  What are schools doing up there in the fall with such good metrics ?

My district’s (central part of Mass) school Committee just voted 5-4 to start the year full remote.   This completely suuuuuuuucckkkks.     Hopefully we can get back at least part time in person soon. 

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7 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

My district’s (central part of Mass) school Committee just voted 5-4 to start the year full remote.   This completely suuuuuuuucckkkks.     Hopefully we can get back at least part time in person soon. 

I mean how does a science teacher do labs remotely? The paranoia is off the charts. All these essential workers have hung in there day after day,daycares are open. I don't get it.

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1 hour ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

Could be coming back around. 15 deaths in MA today, 17 in NY, 6 in CT. Not feeling confident for the 2nd wave during the fall/winter. 

I would like to know when they make the determination for when wave 1 ends and wave 2 starts.

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1 minute ago, Ginx snewx said:

I mean how does a science teacher do labs remotely? The paranoia is off the charts. All these essential workers have hung in there day after day,daycares are open. I don't get it.

Schools are a tough one but I agree we should be in person at least some of the time.  Bad ventilation, inability to stay even 3 feet apart seem to be the biggest concerns the SC went by.     You can’t really compare schools to many other places but I think we should be there    
Our staff, the super, the head of the SC (mayor)(plus the parents of course) wanted at least a hybrid.   

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1 minute ago, Ginx snewx said:

I mean how does a science teacher do labs remotely? The paranoia is off the charts. All these essential workers have hung in there day after day,daycares are open. I don't get it.

I’m kind of getting sick of the whining from people who don’t want to go back to work.

Nothing is risk free. I’ve been back to work full time for over 2 months. I have to fill out a self checker form daily before going in, wear a mask, etc etc. it’s less than ideal, but it’s life.

I know a ton of teachers, many of whom are saying nobody cares about their safety and they shouldn’t be going back etc etc. My response is, why are you any different than anyone else? There is going to be a ton of new protocols in place, just like everywhere else.

People have been working everyday through this 

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4 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

I’m kind of getting sick of the whining from people who don’t want to go back to work.

Nothing is risk free. I’ve been back to work full time for over 2 months. I have to fill out a self checker form daily before going in, wear a mask, etc etc. it’s less than ideal, but it’s life.

I know a ton of teachers, many of whom are saying nobody cares about their safety and they shouldn’t be going back etc etc. My response is, why are you any different than anyone else? There is going to be a ton of new protocols in place, just like everywhere else.

People have been working everyday through this 

Trust me, the remote teaching is shitloads harder (and less effective) than in person.  The new protocols are pretty much impossible to follow (CDC says 6 feet apart, DESE says 3 feet is ok, neither is physically possible in most buildings).  Plexiglass isn’t being installed ($$$), no HVAC upgrades in most places, PPE will be minimal.     I really don’t think that most people care about the safety of teachers, or supermarket employees, or wait staff etc. The biggest concern voiced on the live stream by parents wasn’t the education of the kids, but how can they work?  A valid concern but that is not the purpose of schools.  I get it.  I really do.  The three proposals almost every district has suck in different ways.  

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So somewhat OT but our daughter had a reasonably lucrative baby sitting gig in this town right on the Canadian border about 40 minutes north of Burlington.   Heading up there for her second day the mom says oh btw our last sitter who the kids saw a week prior is sick and positive.   Of course neither she nor the kids wore masks indoors the previous day.  She called the VT public  health department and they told her not to worry.  She decided to quarantine and was tested yesterday for the 2nd time since moving there 7/1.   Negative results today is a huge relief!  She’ll celebrate by climbing Mt Ascutney wIth a friend.

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19 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

I know a ton of teachers, many of whom are saying nobody cares about their safety and they shouldn’t be going back etc etc. My response is, why are you any different than anyone else? There is going to be a ton of new protocols in place, just like everywhere else.

People have been working everyday through this 

All the teachers I know have said it has been the hardest working period of their career going from home at the end of last year.  April/May/part of June sounded like long hours of work from home to make it happen.  Scheduling kids for video calls even at like 7-8pm.  I think every single teacher would prefer to be in the classroom but kids are germ factories, school ventilation is nil, and there's no way to socially distant (you are in close quarters with strangers for hours and hours).  One can see both sides of the argument.

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12 minutes ago, dryslot said:

I would like to know when they make the determination for when wave 1 ends and wave 2 starts.

For the northeast, it’s pretty easy to tell. Other regions, not sure. And nationally, it seems like one big slow oscillating wave. TBH I haven’t been paying close attention since we’ve done very well but I took a look at the data recently and it looks like nothing has changed nationally. Still struggling.

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43 minutes ago, losetoa6 said:

Just curious.  What are schools doing up there in the fall with such good metrics ?

No plans set in concrete yet. School openings have all been pushed back until September 8th as plans get finalized. My son will be a junior in high school and I suspect it will be something like in person 2 days a week and online the other 3. 

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16 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

Trust me, the remote teaching is shitloads harder (and less effective) than in person.  The new protocols are pretty much impossible to follow (CDC says 6 feet apart, DESE says 3 feet is ok, neither is physically possible in most buildings).  Plexiglass isn’t being installed ($$$), no HVAC upgrades in most places, PPE will be minimal.     I really don’t think that most people care about the safety of teachers, or supermarket employees, or wait staff etc. The biggest concern voiced on the live stream by parents wasn’t the education of the kids, but how can they work?  A valid concern but that is not the purpose of schools.  I get it.  I really do.  The three proposals almost every district has suck in different ways.  

 

2 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

All the teachers I know have said it has been the hardest working period of their career going from home at the end of last year.  April/May/part of June sounded like long hours of work from home to make it happen.  Scheduling kids for video calls even at like 7-8pm.  I think every single teacher would prefer to be in the classroom but kids are germ factories, school ventilation is nil, and there's no way to socially distant (you are in close quarters with strangers for hours and hours).

I guess it depends, because there are certainly teachers mailing it in on the remote learning who are doing significantly less than normal.

Not sure where I saw it, but I saw the teachers union had to warn teachers not to lie about their health issues on a return to work survey just because they didn’t want to go back to in person learning. This was in a south shore town, Newton maybe?

I guess if you are committed to the kids and true professional, it probably is harder.

Guess I’m just a pessimist.

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2 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

Having schools open though is certainly the best option for the economy and workforce.  Schools fill that very important child care function.

Yup.... and guess who this will negatively impact the most if kids can’t go back in person? Minorities and lower income families. 
 

Most working class families can’t afford to hire someone to watch their child 5 days a week for 6+ hours that school would normally take care of.

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3 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

 

I guess it depends, because there are certainly teachers mailing it in on the remote learning who are doing significantly less than normal.

Not sure where I saw it, but I saw the teachers union had to warn teachers not to lie about their health issues on a return to work survey just because they didn’t want to go back to in person learning. This was in a south shore town, Newton maybe?

I guess if you are committed to the kids and true professional, it probably is harder.

Guess I’m just a pessimist.

Practicing for winter. 

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10 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

 

I guess it depends, because there are certainly teachers mailing it in on the remote learning who are doing significantly less than normal.

Not sure where I saw it, but I saw the teachers union had to warn teachers not to lie about their health issues on a return to work survey just because they didn’t want to go back to in person learning. This was in a south shore town, Newton maybe?

I guess if you are committed to the kids and true professional, it probably is harder.

Guess I’m just a pessimist.

Hopefully the return to in person learning in some districts (and some are choosing full time...) doesn’t lead to siggy increases in cases etc.  jury is still out.  That will screech everything to a halt.   
I’m personally hoping I can at least work in my classroom. My setup at home (boonies) is less than ideal. Our son will be doing his university classes from our home. Possibly wife and daughter. Our bandwidth is not good

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10 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

Yup.... and guess who this will negatively impact the most if kids can’t go back in person? Minorities and lower income families.

Most working class families can’t afford to hire someone to watch their child 5 days a week for 6+ hours that school would normally take care of.

Very legit concern and likelihood.  My opinion means absolutely nothing seeing as 1) I'm not a teacher and 2) I don't have kids, so I try to just listen to those that do have a horse in the race.

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18 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

Hopefully the return to in person learning in some districts (and some are choosing full time...) doesn’t lead to siggy increases in cases etc.  jury is still out.  That will screech everything to a halt.   
I’m personally hoping I can at least work in my classroom. My setup at home (boonies) is less than ideal. Our son will be doing his university classes from our home. Possibly wife and daughter. Our bandwidth is not good

Imagine having 4 kids each with a need to remote. I don't know about other schools but I have listened to my daughter and her kids complain incessantly about how badly the remote stuff is and how the teachers are mailing it in. Sad times

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Just now, Ginx snewx said:

Imagine having 4 kids each with a need to remote. I don't know about other schools but I have listened to my daughter and her kids complain incessantly about how badly the remote stuff is and how the teachers are mailing it in. Sad times

Did she ever contact the teachers?  I know I felt handcuffed due to the inequities of things like technology   Some kids could not participate fully so it was impossible to engage like we would face to face. My hope is that at least those obstacles will be gone.  We also couldn’t grade things like normal so that disincentivized some kids.  
For young kids it really sucked.  High school kids did better.    
At one point I think you said you wouldn’t spend time in the casino due to air quality.  Would you spend time there now?  

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8 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

Did she ever contact the teachers?  I know I felt handcuffed due to the inequities of things like technology   Some kids could not participate fully so it was impossible to engage like we would face to face. My hope is that at least those obstacles will be gone.  We also couldn’t grade things like normal so that disincentivized some kids.  
For young kids it really sucked.  High school kids did better.    
At one point I think you said you wouldn’t spend time in the casino due to air quality.  Would you spend time there now?  

? If it were all kids and a limited number of Adults and I had to weigh the entirety of risks physically , socially and economically to all including the parents using distancing and masking , yes. Is it ideal no. But its never been ideal for any essential workers. 

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3 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

? If it were all kids and a limited number of Adults and I had to weigh the entirety of risks physically , socially and economically to all including the parents using distancing and masking , yes. Is it ideal no. But its never been ideal for any essential workers. 

What if distancing wasn’t possible? I respect your opinion on here. Schools have much worse ventilation than a modern casino I would think 


As I mentioned if it were up to me I would be in my class with half the kids on any given day.  Either alternate weeks or days.  Again not ideal    Not sure how the remote part works for kids when they are at home. 

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Just now, HoarfrostHubb said:

What if distancing wasn’t possible? I respect your opinion on here. Schools have much worse ventilation than a modern casino I would think 


As I mentioned if it were up to me I would be in my class with half the kids on any given day.  Either alternate weeks or days.  Again not ideal    Not sure how the remote part works for kids when they are at home. 

At least part time would be a compromise. Just shutting it all down is not good.  I heard the casinos put in uv in all HVAC and retrofitted to 100% outside air exchange.  Huge outlay of money I would assume . As far as modern goes those are 20 plus year old systems.  There haven't been any outbreaks traced back cept for a couple of employees here and there but no superspreaders. As long as your county has minimal spread I see zero reason why your solution isn't a viable option. 

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4 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

At least part time would be a compromise. Just shutting it all down is not good.  I heard the casinos put in uv in all HVAC and retrofitted to 100% outside air exchange.  Huge outlay of money I would assume . As far as modern goes those are 20 plus year old systems.  There haven't been any outbreaks traced back cept for a couple of employees here and there but no superspreaders. As long as your county has minimal spread I see zero reason why your solution isn't a viable option. 

Apparently this will hopefully only be the first term.  Then they revisit. My building is the newest in the city and is 17 years old.  Awful ventilation in many areas. 
 

not ideal. How do you think Tuesday is looking for beaching?

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