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We are among the best in handling vaccinations for sure.  There were plenty of mistakes earlier on though.

Oh absolutely. But we’ve overall done a great job juggling being open while keeping people safe.

I have a lot of coworkers in both Canada and Europe and it’s intriguing how much fascination they show in how life is here. Just a ton of fear and little hope over there, while even our President believes life will be normal completely by July 4th
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I will say too this thread continues to fascinate me. Politically I’m pretty down the middle but moving right before this occurred to a fairly conservative state I think affects my POV quite a bit. Even in conversations with family, they seem shocked at how open and chill it’s been around here

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Fauci says U.S. will likely resume use of J&J Covid vaccine with a warning or restriction

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/18/fauci-us-will-likely-resume-use-of-jj-covid-vaccine-with-a-warning.html

...Fauci said he anticipates a decision on the J&J vaccine as soon as Friday, when the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s vaccine advisory panel meets to discuss resumption. 

“My estimate is that we will continue to use it in some form,” Fauci said during an interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I doubt very seriously if they just cancel it. I don’t think that’s going to happen. I do think that there will likely be some sort of warning or restriction or risk assessment...”

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Looks like cases are starting to fall again which is good news
 

It is! Hopefully more liberals on this thread stop buying into the panic porn and fear, and start believing real data.

Recent Gallup poll showed that 70% of registered Democrats believed the hospitalization rate was 20% or more, with 41% believing the rate was 50% or higher. The actual rate is obviously much lower.

Let’s focus on the science folks, things are getting much better overall with some bad pockets. Individually get your vaccine and get back to living your life
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19 minutes ago, nwohweather said:


It is! Hopefully more liberals on this thread stop buying into the panic porn and fear, and start believing real data.

Recent Gallup poll showed that 70% of registered Democrats believed the hospitalization rate was 20% or more, with 41% believing the rate was 50% or higher. The actual rate is obviously much lower.

Let’s focus on the science folks, things are getting much better overall with some bad pockets. Individually get your vaccine and get back to living your life

Deleted my post because I don’t want another knock down drag out about unrelated political issues like we had in here the other night, but suffice to say both sides of the media sell “panic porn and fear” about various issues and instill irrational fears into people, and if I remember correctly from reading about that poll, Republicans grossly underestimated the hospitalization rate. So it goes both ways.

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6 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Deleted my post because I don’t want another knock down drag out about unrelated political issues like we had in here the other night, but suffice to say both sides of the media sell “panic porn and fear” about various issues and instill irrational fears into people, and if I remember correctly from reading about that poll, Republicans grossly underestimated the hospitalization rate. So it goes both ways.

That really is an unbelievable stat. That’s a sickening overestimation and so incredibly misinformed. The highest hospitalization rate I could find is .86 percent for 85+.... so I think I’m going to go out on a limb and say there’s not a whole lot of room for error on the downside. 

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1 minute ago, schoeppeya said:

The highest hospitalization rate I could find is .86 percent for 85+.... so I think I’m going to go out on a limb and say there’s not a whole lot of room for error on the downside 

Less than a percent hospitalization rate for 85+? I’m curious where you saw that.

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2 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

That really is an unbelievable stat. That’s a sickening overestimation and so incredibly misinformed. The highest hospitalization rate I could find is .86 percent for 85+.... so I think I’m going to go out on a limb and say there’s not a whole lot of room for error on the downside. 

Guarantee that more than 0.86% of 85+ year olds with covid have been hospitalized.  

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1 minute ago, Hoosier said:

Guarantee that more than 0.86% of 85+ year olds with covid have been hospitalized.  

Oh, I think I know what he means now. He means 0.86% of all 85+ year olds have been hospitalized with covid, regardless of whether or not they had covid. Which I believe, though it’s also largely immaterial.

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5 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Oh, I think I know what he means now. He means 0.86% of all 85+ year olds have been hospitalized with covid, regardless of whether or not they had covid. Which I believe, though it’s also largely immaterial.

That is the number I saw, it was a quick search. Agreed it’s not the best number to use. 
 

Any clue what the overall actually is for confirmed cases?

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7 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Oh, I think I know what he means now. He means 0.86% of all 85+ year olds have been hospitalized with covid, regardless of whether or not they had covid. Which I believe, though it’s also largely immaterial.

Well, that would make more sense.  The initial post about people over/under estimating hospitalization rates was unclear as it did not say whether it was only talking about covid patients or every man and woman walking around in the United States.

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Just now, schoeppeya said:

That is the number I saw, it was a quick search. Agreed it’s not the best number to use. 
 

Any clue what the overall actually is for confirmed cases?

I honestly have no idea, but I’m sure it’s in the single digits for the population as a whole. The mere idea that anyone would think it’s over 50% is ludicrous and terrifying to me.

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It seems a 21 year old medical student at University of Cincinnati died a day after taking the J&J vaccine.

It is currently being investigated, but so far there's been no direct evidence of the vaccine being the cause of death.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox19.com/2021/04/16/university-cincinnati-students-death-after-jj-vaccine-under-investigation/%3foutputType=amp

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10 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Oh, I think I know what he means now. He means 0.86% of all 85+ year olds have been hospitalized with covid, regardless of whether or not they had covid. Which I believe, though it’s also largely immaterial.

Wow that seems like a very low number. I was thinking maybe like 40-50% of 85+ year olds would be hospitalized with covid.

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1 minute ago, Hoosier said:

Well, that would make more sense.  The initial post about people over/under estimating hospitalization rates was unclear as it did not say whether it was only talking about covid patients or every man and woman walking around in the United States.

I don’t always agree with @schoeppeya but I at least know he tries to argue in good faith and give him the benefit of the doubt when trying to figure out what he’s talking about.

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1 minute ago, Snownado said:

Wow that seems like a very low number. I was thinking maybe like 40-50% of 85+ year olds would be hospitalized with covid.

Again, probably true, but I think he’s saying of all 85+ year olds, 0.86% have gotten covid and been hospitalized for it.

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16 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

I don’t always agree with @schoeppeya but I at least know he tries to argue in good faith and give him the benefit of the doubt when trying to figure out what he’s talking about.

I believe the number I pulled was overall. Probably not the best to use. 
 

It’s still hard to believe that much of the left is that uninformed. I guess even though we all don’t agree in here we are part of our own echo chamber that is (primarily) using data to debate points. But, maybe this helps highlight why I get so frustrated with the messaging surrounding covid and some of the messaging in this thread that insists on worst case scenario outcomes. 

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3 hours ago, schoeppeya said:

That is the number I saw, it was a quick search. Agreed it’s not the best number to use. 
 

Any clue what the overall actually is for confirmed cases?

This is the estimate for all infections. 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

4.1 million for 83 million infected. Approximately 2 percent. 

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