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This is the most clear cut explanation, thanks Joe Gironda.

The following is from Irene Ken physician, whose daughter is an Asst. Prof in infectious diseases at Johns Hopkins University, quite informative.
* The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.
* Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).
By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
* HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 77 degrees Fahrenheit for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.
* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.
* Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.
* Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.
* NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.
* NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only
-between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
-4 hours (copper and wood)
-24 hours (cardboard),
- 42 hours (metal) and
-72 hours (plastic).
But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.
* The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.
They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.
* UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.
* The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.
* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.
* LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol.
* The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.
* You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.
* You have to Moisturize dry hands from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.
* Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.
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-JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL

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Just now, South Shore Slop said:

This is the most clear cut explanation, thanks Joe Gironda.

The following is from Irene Ken physician, whose daughter is an Asst. Prof in infectious diseases at Johns Hopkins University, quite informative.
* The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.
* Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).
By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
* HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 77 degrees Fahrenheit for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.
* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.
* Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.
* Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.
* NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.
* NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only
-between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
-4 hours (copper and wood)
-24 hours (cardboard),
- 42 hours (metal) and
-72 hours (plastic).
But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.
* The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.
They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.
* UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.
* The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.
* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.
* LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol.
* The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.
* You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.
* You have to Moisturize dry hands from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.
* Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.
Copy and paste I’m unable to set it to share.
-JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL

That’s just a little shorter than a normal Tip post 

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10 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

Hey whatever keeps his ratings are high!  

I still can’t believe a sitting US President is tweeting and bragging about this stuff during this whole ordeal.  

No f’ing shit the country tunes in to hear a President in a crisis.  The narcissism is insane.

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His presidency is basically an extension of the WWE

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Just now, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

His presidency is basically an extension of the WWE

Only if the WWE bragged about their ratings during 9/11. 

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30 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

LOL. Go through Moosup on rt 6? That’s seems awfully stupid.

There are about 10 different entrances to RI from my house. I could get in unnoticed

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Just now, South Shore Slop said:

This is the most clear cut explanation, thanks Joe Gironda.


* NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.
 

Great information listed there.

But one tiny typo (that could lead to misinformation): antibodies can "kill" viruses.  It should say antibiotics.

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8 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

There are about 10 different entrances to RI from my house. I could get in unnoticed

When in doubt, run across the border in the woods.  

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14 minutes ago, South Shore Slop said:

This is the most clear cut explanation, thanks Joe Gironda.

The following is from Irene Ken physician, whose daughter is an Asst. Prof in infectious diseases at Johns Hopkins University, quite informative.
* The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.
* Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).
By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
* HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 77 degrees Fahrenheit for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.
* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.
* Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.
* Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.
* NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.
* NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only
-between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
-4 hours (copper and wood)
-24 hours (cardboard),
- 42 hours (metal) and
-72 hours (plastic).
But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.
* The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.
They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.
* UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.
* The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.
* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.
* LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol.
* The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.
* You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.
* You have to Moisturize dry hands from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.
* Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.
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-JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL

Why does the CDC not publish this? Best info I've seen

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Just now, powderfreak said:

When in doubt, run across the border in the woods.  

Under the cover of darkness, me and my mule

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53 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

His presidency is basically an extension of the WWE

Hes doing a fine job. What else should he have done differently?

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32 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

Hey whatever keeps his ratings are high!  

I still can’t believe a sitting US President is tweeting and bragging about this stuff during this whole ordeal.  

No f’ing shit the country tunes in to hear a President in a crisis.  The narcissism is insane.

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So much for keeping your eye on the ball. Jesus.

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36 minutes ago, South Shore Slop said:

This is the most clear cut explanation, thanks Joe Gironda.

* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).
By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
-JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL

So, detergent will do the job as well as soap?  Thx.

BTW, great info.  Apologies if ? is old hat.

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1 hour ago, RobertSul said:

I read the story and didn’t see anything that would help formulate an opinion that the “media sucks”. Care to elaborate?

Underlying health condition making this less shocking despite her young age? (Cancer)

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I was under the impression that the virus was RNA not DNA. Maybe a biologist Among Us can explain.

 

The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.

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Just now, kdxken said:

I was under the impression that the virus was RNA not DNA. Maybe a biologist Among Us can explain.

 

The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.

She needs to go back and take immunology again. Lots of factually inaccurate things in there. The soap and water stuff is fine, but her biology is not good. She could have dumbed it down but still been more factually accurate 

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Just now, WhitinsvilleWX said:

She needs to go back and take immunology again. Lots of factually inaccurate things in there. The soap and water stuff is fine, but her biology is not good. She could have dumbed it down but still been more factually accurate 

Thank you! That was my suspicion.

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Just now, MJO812 said:

Hes going a fine job. What else should he have done differently?

Please god let this be sarcasm.

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Just now, kdxken said:

I was under the impression that the virus was RNA not DNA. Maybe a biologist Among Us can explain.

Good catch!... totally missed it upon first read through.

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5 minutes ago, eduggs said:

Please god let this be sarcasm.

It's not. So what should he do differently?

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Just now, MJO812 said:

It's not. So what should he do differently?

It was an odd tweet. Don’t tweet that out. Nobody cares about his ratings. It’s just plain f’ing weird and creepy at the same time. 

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Good day for our neighbors to the North. Hopefully it continues.

Coronavirus: Quebec's efforts to 'slap down curve' appear to be working.

Legault said 28 more people have been hospitalized, for a total 192 Quebecers, including 72 in intensive care. Quebec has tested more than 58,000 people, with 6,313 of those still awaiting results.

Legault said the province is prepared for the worst-case scenario, with 6,000 beds ready to accommodate COVID-19 cases. Still, he said he is encouraged that confirmed cases went up by only 14 per cent in the previous 24 hours, whereas in the past the day-over-day increase has been as high as 24 per cent.

Arruda said he expects the number of cases and deaths to continue to grow, but added that the numbers are lower than he expected them to be at this point. He encouraged Quebecers to keep working to “flatten the curve” through obeying new travel restrictions, staying home and regular hand washing.

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Some virus’ are DNA some are RNA. This one is RNA. The RNA is surrounded by a protein and lipid (fat) coat. One of the proteins on the surface recognizes a receptor on lung alveolar type II cells call angiotensin or ACEII. Once it binds, a serine protease  cleaves the virus and it enters the cell. The RNA codes for the functional virus. Once in the cell, the RNA is replicated using the cells own replication mechanism and makes new virus. The cell then undergoes lysis and released more fresh virus to infect more cells. It’s no different that any other fairly primitive virus. It’s seems to be damn stable with little to no mutation. That’s good. A vaccine should be pretty straight forward. It doesnt hide like HSV-1 and 2 (herpes) nor does it hide and infect T cells and mutate like HIV.

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Just now, MJO812 said:

It's not. So what should he do differently?

I like this thread being apolitical.  I hesitate to respond, but I think it has to be said.  But just to preface... this is specific to Trump and no other person or party.

What Trump did wrong:

- Massively downplayed the risk for 8 weeks ("hoax", "totally contained,"  "= flu" etc... when we should have been coordinating, planning, and preparing.

- Prioritized the stock market (which he equates to his job performance) as well as his reelection over the health and safety of US citizens.

- Constantly provided inaccurate and confusing information

- Appointed inexperienced partisans to head the pandemic response team instead of experts 

- Slowed every step of the response by funneling all decisions through the "political" pandemic response team

- Slow walked requests for decentralized COVID testing, costing us the ability to identify and isolate cases when it could have mattered

- Slow walked requests for federal assistance at procuring PPE, medical staff, and ventilators

- Attacked governors and democrats instead of showing leadership

- Constantly bragged about his great response and his TV ratings instead of implementing plans to mitigate the crisis

 

Trump's downplaying of the risk will likely end us costing thousands of American lives.  So many people did not and continue not to take this pandemic seriously because the President refuses to do so.  He is largely responsible for the incredibly steep rise in cases.  Trump's pitting states against each other (trying to buy equipment) and his refusal to provide sufficient medical equipment could end up costing further thousands of lives.  Trump continues to do almost everything wrong.  Meanwhile he prances in front of the camera and tries to take credit for anything competent that anybody else does.  It is absolutely tragic that he is the President of the US at this moment.  I would prefer almost any other republican in the country to be in charge.

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Per Dr. Gaba in NYC: Some REALLY young (20s), without comorbidities.

Can't verify that it's true, but I hope this message is received.

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She needs to go back and take immunology again. Lots of factually inaccurate things in there. The soap and water stuff is fine, but her biology is not good. She could have dumbed it down but still been more factually accurate 
This. And the virus is a single stranded rna virus

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3 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said:

Some virus’ are DNA some are RNA. This one is RNA. The RNA is surrounded by a protein and lipid (fat) coat. One of the proteins on the surface recognizes a receptor on lung alveolar type II cells call angiotensin or ACEII. Once it binds, a serine protease  cleaves the virus and it enters the cell. The RNA codes for the functional virus. Once in the cell, the RNA is replicated using the cells own replication mechanism and makes new virus. The cell then undergoes lysis and released more fresh virus to infect more cells. It’s no different that any other fairly primitive virus. It’s seems to be damn stable with little to no mutation. That’s good. A vaccine should be pretty straight forward. It doesnt hide like HSV-1 and 2 (herpes) nor does it hide and infect T cells and mutate like HIV.

Can I ask a question about viral load? Friend is an ICU nurse and has only been working scheduled shifts because she doesn't want to increase viral load. Does that make any sense since it replicates anyway?

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