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4 hours ago, uncle W said:

Thanks for posting this, Uncle!  I was a 9 year old in Jersey City when it happened.  Heard about it from family talk.  We had only radio back then.  Much lesser known than the crash a year before when a B25 crashed into the Empire State Building.

Much appreciate these postings.   BTW, Trump owned this building years later, as you probably know.

Edit:  PS -  just checked, and apparently the bldg is still known as "The Trump building".  Owned by the Trump Organization.

 

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7 hours ago, stemwinder said:

Thanks for posting this, Uncle!  I was a 9 year old in Jersey City when it happened.  Heard about it from family talk.  We had only radio back then.  Much lesser known than the crash a year before when a B25 crashed into the Empire State Building.

Much appreciate these postings.   BTW, Trump owned this building years later, as you probably know.

Edit:  PS -  just checked, and apparently the bldg is still known as "The Trump building".  Owned by the Trump Organization.

 

I wasn't born yet but the weather played a big part in both plane crashes into 40 wall st and the empire state building...fog was a big contributor for both... 

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just finished a summery of the winter of 1898-99...

the winter of 1898-99 was one of those winters that had some historic weeks...it is known for the largest arctic outbreak to hit the country and a blizzard that gave snow from Florida to Maine...it started the last week in November 1898 with three snowstorms adding up to 19"...one famous storm called the Portland Storm named after a ship that sank off the NE coast...10" of snow and sleet fell in NYC which is still the biggest November snowfall on record...there was a month lull in the action until New years day when 4" of snow fell...between January 31st and February 13th 26.3" of snow fell including the famous blizzard that climaxed one of the coldest periods in NYC ever...a big thaw set in after that...the winter was basically over after the thaw except for a 3" snowfall on March 7th and some light falls later in the month...I believe 1898-99 was an el nino winter ...

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=blizzard+of+1899&docid=608013892811227643&mid=722B5BBF0534BB6B9316722B5BBF0534BB6B9316&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

dates...……….max...min...rain.....snow...

11/24/98.....41...….32.....0.66".....3.0"....unexpected storm for Thanksgiving...rain to sleet to snow...

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1898-11-25/ed-1/seq-1/

 

11/26/98.....34...….25.....0.46".....5.0"....snow and windy...

11/27/98.....28...….26.....0.70".....5.0"....snow and sleet with winds...

http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/50341645/

http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/50341652

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030272/1898-11-27/ed-1/seq-1/

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030272/1898-11-27/ed-1/seq-2/

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1898-11-27/ed-1/seq-1/

 

http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/50341716/

http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/50341718

http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/50341720

11/29/98.....41......30.....0.15"........T.....

11/30/98.....39......28.....0.69".....6.0"......

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1898-11-30/ed-1/seq-2/

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1898-12-01/ed-1/seq-1/

http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/50341838

http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/50341844

 

12/12/98.....36...….31.....0.03".....0.5"

 

12/31/98.....53...….18.....0.36".....1.0"...rain changes to snow

01/01/99.....18...…...8.....0.18".....3.0"...white New Years day...

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1899-01-02/ed-1/seq-4/

 

01/06/99.....40.......30.....1.38".....1.0"...rain starts as snow and sleet...

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1899-01-07/ed-1/seq-3/

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1899-01-07/ed-1/seq-7/

01/12/99.....29.......12.....0.01".....0.3"

 

01/31/99.....26.......17.....0.11".....1.8"...light snow and flurries most of the day...

02/01/99.....21.......12.....0.01".....0.2"...snow ends around 2am...

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1899-02-01/ed-1/seq-7/

02/05/99.....35.......26.....0.15".....1.0"...late morning light snow...

02/06/99.....31.......24.....0.09".....0.8"...late evening snow ends early on the 7th...

02/07/99.....28.......24.....0.20".....2.5"...snow from 4pm...

02/08/99.....31.......11.....0.30".....4.0"...snow ends 3pm...light moderate storm...

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1899-02-09/ed-1/seq-1/

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1899-02-09/ed-1/seq-2/

02/09/99.....11........-2.......0

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1899-02-10/ed-1/seq-1/

02/10/99.......7........-6.......0

http://bklyn.newspap.../image/50406340

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1899-02-11/ed-1/seq-4/

02/11/99.......9........-2.......0

http://fultonhistory...cale - 0782.pdf

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1899-02-12/ed-1/seq-1/

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1899-02-12/ed-1/seq-4/

02/12/99.......9.........4.....0.23".....5.3"...snow starts just after midnight and continues light to mod all day...

 

 

http://fultonhistory...cale - 0816.pdf

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1899-02-13/ed-1/seq-1/

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1899-02-13/ed-1/seq-7/

02/13/99.....11.........6.....0.47"...10.7"...snow most of the day ends just before midnight...heaviest around 930am and again around 9pm...

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1899-02-14/ed-1/seq-1/

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1899-02-14/ed-1/seq-2/

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1899-02-14/ed-1/seq-3/

http://fultonhistory...cale - 0817.pdf

http://fultonhistory...cale - 0817.pdf

2/14

http://fultonhistory...cale - 0829.pdf

http://fultonhistory...cale - 0830.pdf
http://chroniclingam...-14/ed-1/seq-1/

http://chroniclingam...-14/ed-1/seq-2/

03/07/99.....38.......26.....0.18".....3.0"...mid day light snow...

http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/50407400/

http://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/50407408

03/18/99.....48.......39.....0.71".....0.5"...rain starts a a mix...

 

03/22/99.....40.......34.....1.25".....0.3"...rain starts as a mix...

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I was having necessary work done in the halls of my row house. The carpenter came down to my apartment and handed me an assortment of papers dated December 1948 and January 1949. Being over 70 years old their condition was, at best, fragile. The photos below came from the Sunday Daily News, December 26th, 3 cents. I believe today’s Sunday paper is 3 dollars. What caught my eye was two articles which I placed together in the first photo. In the main article the reporter gave a first person description of the over two foot storm that had occurred on that very day, the year before. He compared It to the 19.5 Inch storm that occurred in NYC a week or so before that, saying it’s effect on the city paled compared to the 1947 storm. The small article next to it (Upper right hand corner) relates the bust of a major snow that was forecast for that day. This is probably why the recap of the 1947 event was written. The second photo is a page from the same paper and date highlighting the headlines of 1948. I have no memory of either he 47 or 48 events, as I was 8 montes and 20 months old when they occurred. You never know what you’ll find when you start doing repairs in a time capsule. As always ...

 

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For those of who bear the entire responsibility for food purchase, this should bring make one wish there was a time portal to a now defunct 1948 Safeway supermarket. i was amazed (see lower right hand corner) that chicken ai 63 cents a pound was only 2 cents less than sirloin. Post WW2 years and the baby boom ramping up, a time forgotten. As always.....1909C328-8289-406A-8E99-10D66BA0D803.thumb.jpeg.3ebcbdfd149ef1f07b4195c1fb2e3987.jpeg

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10 minutes ago, rclab said:

For those of who bear the entire responsibility for food purchase, this should bring make one wish there was a time portal to a now defunct 1948 Safeway supermarket. i was amazed (see lower right hand corner) that chicken ai 63 cents a pound was only 2 cents less than sirloin. Post WW2 years and the baby boom ramping up, a time forgotten. As always.....1909C328-8289-406A-8E99-10D66BA0D803.thumb.jpeg.3ebcbdfd149ef1f07b4195c1fb2e3987.jpeg

Wow.  Of course, getting 75 bucks a week for a salary wasn't considered bad, at that time, I suspect.  Still, it makes my mouth water.  Chuck for 45 cents a pound. Lol.  Wondering what the rents were like back then as well.  

 

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10 minutes ago, stemwinder said:

Wow.  Of course, getting 75 bucks a week for a salary wasn't considered bad, at that time, I suspect.  Still, it makes my mouth water.  Chuck for 45 cents a pound. Lol.  Wondering what the rents were like back then as well.  

 

IF I find the rental ads, I let you know. As always

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I was having necessary work done in the halls of my row house. The carpenter came down to my apartment and handed me an assortment of papers dated December 1948 and January 1949. Being over 70 years old their condition was, at best, fragile. The photos below came from the Sunday Daily News, December 26th, 3 cents. I believe today’s Sunday paper is 3 dollars. What caught my eye was two articles which I placed together in the first photo. In the main article the reporter gave a first person description of the over two foot storm that had occurred on that very day, the year before. He compared It to the 19.5 Inch storm that occurred in NYC a week or so before that, saying it’s effect on the city paled compared to the 1947 storm. The small article next to it (Upper right hand corner) relates the bust of a major snow that was forecast for that day. This is probably why the recap of the 1947 event was written. The second photo is a page from the same paper and date highlighting the headlines of 1948. I have no memory of either he 47 or 48 events, as I was 8 montes and 20 months old when they occurred. You never know what you’ll find when you start doing repairs in a time capsule. As always ...

 

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Thanks for this post.  I do remember the 1948 snowstorm, since I lived in next-door Jersey City at the time.  Would have been in the seventh grade.  I also remember waiting for that big storm that fizzled, around Christmas.  Forecasting was not as great back than.  No computer models, of course. Etc..

BTW, it's tough to clean house when there is old printed material to spend hours reading.  I even remember some of the headlines you've shown.  "Lippy Succeeds Ott".  HaHa.  I didn't remember that Durocher was the Giants' manager from that early.  Why were the Dodgers called "the Flock", i wonder.  Durocher managed the Giants to two pennants and a World Series win, I remember.  

Now, quit reading those old papers, and get back to cleaning house.  - Just kidding.  

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1 minute ago, stemwinder said:

Thanks for this post.  I do remember the 1948 snowstorm, since I lived in next-door Jersey City at the time.  Would have been in the seventh grade.  I also remember waiting for that big storm that fizzled, around Christmas.  Forecasting was not as great back than.  No computer models, of course. Etc..

BTW, it's tough to clean house when there is old printed material to spend hours reading.  I even remember some of the headlines you've shown.  "Lippy Succeeds Ott".  HaHa.  I didn't remember that Durocher was the Giants' manager from that early.  Why were the Dodgers called "the Flock", i wonder.  Durocher managed the Giants to two pennants and a World Series win, I remember.  

Now, quit reading those old papers, and get back to cleaning house.  - Just kidding.  

It’s okay, any excuse to put it off is fine with me. I do miss my lost love. She made it look so easy.Seventh grade in 49, you are blessed and my hero. As always ....

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5 minutes ago, rclab said:

It’s okay, any excuse to put it off is fine with me. I do miss my lost love. She made it look so easy.Seventh grade in 49, you are blessed and my hero. As always ....

I do regret your loss.  That is very difficult, for life.   Keep up the good work, your love is still with you in a real way, I do believe. 

  As far as being a hero, thanks, but it's nothing of course.  What I do like to brag about is the winter of 47-48.  Lost power in an ice storm around New Years.  Thank Goodness for the old gravity forced coal furnaces.  A week after the Big Snow.  I wonder if all the rain froze into the week old snowpack, and made it more resistant to melting.  January was really cold and snowy.  I was sorry when the thaw set in in mid February.

  Of course I also missed the great winters of 60-61, 76 thru 78, and 95-96.  Even 93-94 sounds interesting.  Was in Europe in 1960, and on the West Coast for the others. So, I lose bragging rights big time.   Now, I cannot regret having moved back East.  I feel bad for those still on the West Coast with all that has happened.

 

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5 minutes ago, rclab said:

Unc, if your mom, bless her, was out during the December 1948, 19.7 inc storm, it doesn’t matter, that’s how you got started. As always....

the story I grew up with  was my mother got stuck on the west end line in Brooklyn and had to lk a long way home...she fell in the snow and some people helped her or who knows what would have happened...she was six months pregnant at the time...

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For your viewing pleasure Sw. The classifieds, only one showed seasonal room/house rentals in Westchester. Another page housing and acreage ads. An article on the death of Babe Ruth. Movies of that time on another page. Finally my favorite Bohack adds. Tenderloin butts (75 cents a pound) was more than Prime Rib (69 cents a pound) I also remember that part of the tin mans leg, in the movie version of The Wiz, was a Bohack coffee can. Unc, I was hoping to find an A&P ad, haven’t yet. As always....

 

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35 minutes ago, rclab said:


For your viewing pleasure Sw. The classifieds, only one showed seasonal room/house rentals in Westchester. Another page housing and acreage ads. An article on the death of Babe Ruth. Movies of that time on another page. Finally my favorite Bohack adds. Tenderloin butts (75 cents a pound) was more than Prime Rib (69 cents a pound) I also remember that part of the tin mans leg, in the movie version of The Wiz, was a Bohack coffee can. Unc, I was hoping to find an A&P ad, haven’t yet. As always....

 

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Too bad we can't travel back in time.  We could pack our wallets with our inflated currency, and buy up the real estate market.  But then we'd be stuck there without A/C, etc.

I do remember Babe Ruth's message live, I think.  I was at a baseball game in Jersey City's Roosevelt Stadium.  His message was carried over the loudspeaker system, but he had to whisper.  "Pardon my whisper" he said, I think - the rest I do not recall.  His throat was shot by then, and he was saying goodbye.    I was with my older brothers, and it was perhaps during the previous summer, 1948.  - but, per Wikipedia, it may have been the summer of 1947.  :huh:  

Thanks much for those memories.  

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meh...my first winter on this earth was the 1949-50 winter...I was almost seven years old in March 56 when NYC had its first foot or more snowstorm since Dec. 1948...

the 1940's had a few very good snowfalls in December...

it seems that NYC's biggest December snowstorms come in cycles...

1945.....8" on the 19-20th...

1947...26" on the 26-27th...

1948...16" on the 19-20th...

three in 4  years...

1957...12" on the 3-4th...at Newark...

1959...13" on the 21-22nd...

1960...15" on the 11-12th...

1961...10" on the 23-24th...at Newark...6" NYC...

1963.....6" on the 23-24th...

1966.....7" on the 24-25th...

1969.....6" on the 25-27th...

seven in 13 years...

1990.....7" on the 27-28th

1995.....8" on the 19-20th

two in 5 years...

2000...12" on the 30th...

2002.....6" on the 5th...

2003...14" on the 5-6th...

2009...11" on the 19-20th...

2010...20" on the 26-27th...

five in 11 years...

 

 

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11 hours ago, uncle W said:

meh...my first winter on this earth was the 1949-50 winter...I was almost seven years old in March 56 when NYC had its first foot or more snowstorm since Dec. 1948...

the 1940's had a few very good snowfalls in December...

it seems that NYC's biggest December snowstorms come in cycles...

1945.....8" on the 19-20th...

1947...26" on the 26-27th...

1948...16" on the 19-20th...

three in 4  years...

1957...12" on the 3-4th...at Newark...

1959...13" on the 21-22nd...

1960...15" on the 11-12th...

1961...10" on the 23-24th...at Newark...6" NYC...

1963.....6" on the 23-24th...

1966.....7" on the 24-25th...

1969.....6" on the 25-27th...

seven in 13 years...

1990.....7" on the 27-28th

1995.....8" on the 19-20th

two in 5 years...

2000...12" on the 30th...

2002.....6" on the 5th...

2003...14" on the 5-6th...

2009...11" on the 19-20th...

2010...20" on the 26-27th...

five in 11 years...

 

 

Shows you how rare pre Christmas,Christmas major snowfalls are rare..we went from Dec 69 to Dec 95 without one

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13 hours ago, uncle W said:

meh...my first winter on this earth was the 1949-50 winter...I was almost seven years old in March 56 when NYC had its first foot or more snowstorm since Dec. 1948...

the 1940's had a few very good snowfalls in December...

it seems that NYC's biggest December snowstorms come in cycles...

1945.....8" on the 19-20th...

1947...26" on the 26-27th...

1948...16" on the 19-20th...

three in 4  years...

1957...12" on the 3-4th...at Newark...

1959...13" on the 21-22nd...

1960...15" on the 11-12th...

1961...10" on the 23-24th...at Newark...6" NYC...

1963.....6" on the 23-24th...

1966.....7" on the 24-25th...

1969.....6" on the 25-27th...

seven in 13 years...

1990.....7" on the 27-28th

1995.....8" on the 19-20th

two in 5 years...

2000...12" on the 30th...

2002.....6" on the 5th...

2003...14" on the 5-6th...

2009...11" on the 19-20th...

2010...20" on the 26-27th...

five in 11 years...

 

 

A great way to look at the December data.  What a gap between 1969 and 1990.  Never saw it that way, Uncle.

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the city has not had snow on the ground Christmas morning since 2009...1966 is still the greatest Christmas eve storm that ended early Christmas morning...1961 had snow Christmas eve that ended around 11pm...1963 had a 6" storm on the 23rd that ended during the early morning hours on Christmas eve...for good measure it snowed for a few hours Christmas eve evening that whitened the 5" that was left on the ground...those three years growing up in 61, 63 and 66 have not been duplicated since...1912 had the biggest Christmas eve snowstorm but very little the rest of the winter...

year...snow on ground...dates of storms...
1912.....11".........11.4" 12/24
1914.....trace........0.6" 12/24.....0.4" 12/21...
1917.......4"..........9.6" 12/12-14.....0.2" 12/17.....
1919.......3"..........2.8" 12/24-25.....1.9" 12/19.....2.1" 12/16-17
1924.....trace.......0.8" 12/24-25
1925.....trace.......0.2" 12/24-25
1929.......1"..........1.4" 12/23
1930.......2"..........3.9" 12/23-24...
1935.....trace.......0.4" 12/23.....0.4" 12/20.....1.6" 12/25-26
1945.......7"..........8.1" 12/19-20...3.2" 12/14...0.6" 12/10...rain Christmas night...
1947.......1"..........2.5" 12/23
1948.......5"........16.0" 12/19-20
1955......trace.......2.7" 12/22
1959.......4"........13.7" 12/21-22
1960.......1"........15.2" 12/11-12.....1.3" 12/19
1961.......6"..........6.2" 12/23-24
1962......trace.......2.7" 12/21-22......0.3" 12/25...rain Christmas night...
1963.......6"..........6.6" 12/23-24......1.4" 12/18.....2.3" 12/12
1966.......7"..........7.1" 12/24-25......1.2" 12/21
1967......trace.......1.0" 12/23....rain Christmas night...
1970......trace.......2.1" 12/21-23
1975......trace.......1.8" 12/22...0.5" 12/25...Rain Christmas night...
1980......trace.......1.0" 12/24...0.6" 12/23
1983.......1"..........1.0" 12/23-24
1993......trace.......trace 12/24-25
1995.......4"..........7.7" 12/19-20...0.5" 12/16...1.7" 12/14...1.5" 12/9...
1998.......1"..........2.0" 12/23-24
2000......trace.......0.7" 12/20
2002......trace.......trace 12/25...5" 12/25 after morning rain...
2009.......2"........10.9" 12/19-20....rain Christmas night...

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On 9/12/2020 at 9:32 PM, uncle W said:

meh...my first winter on this earth was the 1949-50 winter...I was almost seven years old in March 56 when NYC had its first foot or more snowstorm since Dec. 1948...

the 1940's had a few very good snowfalls in December...

it seems that NYC's biggest December snowstorms come in cycles...

1945.....8" on the 19-20th...

1947...26" on the 26-27th...

1948...16" on the 19-20th...

three in 4  years...

1957...12" on the 3-4th...at Newark...

1959...13" on the 21-22nd...

1960...15" on the 11-12th...

1961...10" on the 23-24th...at Newark...6" NYC...

1963.....6" on the 23-24th...

1966.....7" on the 24-25th...

1969.....6" on the 25-27th...

seven in 13 years...

1990.....7" on the 27-28th

1995.....8" on the 19-20th

two in 5 years...

2000...12" on the 30th...

2002.....6" on the 5th...

2003...14" on the 5-6th...

2009...11" on the 19-20th...

2010...20" on the 26-27th...

five in 11 years...

 

 

Thanks, Uncle, for those always amazing data.  1966 may be my own favorite, even though it was largely sleet.  A lot more snow farther west, if I remember the NESIS map.  It also had Thunder snow, or Thunder sleet.  That;s always a plus.  1961  has good memories too.  A more gentle and fluffy storm.  Here's to another White Christmas, at long last.  We're due for one now.  I'll settle for a 1961 style one.  :weenie::snowing: 

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