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11/15-16 Coastal Storm/ULL Discussion


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1 hour ago, nzucker said:

Full list of spotter reports, anyone?

I cant even find a full list of airport snowfall info.

Im hoping someone will do a comparison of this vs the post Sandy snowstorm, side by side, I want to see which of our airports and spotters did better in this one vs that one and since that was a big surprise also and also happened around rush hour, why didn't that one cause so many issues?

 

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19 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Thanks RJay.  Can you by any chance find the one for the post Sandy storm?  I want to compare them!

The PNS for the November 2012 snowstorm is below:

 

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NOUS41 KOKX 082152 CCA
PNSOKX
CTZ005>012-NJZ002-004-006-103>108-NYZ067>075-078>081-176>179-090848-

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT...CORRECTED
SPOTTER REPORTS
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
452 PM EST THU NOV 08 2012

THE FOLLOWING ARE UNOFFICIAL OBSERVATIONS TAKEN DURING THE RECENT
STORM THAT HAS BEEN AFFECTING OUR REGION. APPRECIATION IS EXTENDED TO
HIGHWAY DEPARTMENTS...COOPERATIVE OBSERVERS...SKYWARN SPOTTERS AND
MEDIA FOR THESE REPORTS. THIS SUMMARY IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON OUR HOME
PAGE AT WEATHER.GOV/NYC

********************STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL********************

LOCATION          STORM TOTAL     TIME/DATE   COMMENTS                  
                     SNOWFALL           OF
                     /INCHES/   MEASUREMENT

CONNECTICUT

...FAIRFIELD COUNTY...
   MONROE                13.5   730 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   SHELTON               10.0   700 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   DANBURY                9.9   709 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   NEWTOWN                9.1   827 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   RIDGEFIELD             8.5   640 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   BRIDGEPORT             8.3   100 PM 11/08  COOP OBSERVER          
   DARIEN                 7.9   741 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   GREENWICH              6.0   845 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   TRUMBULL               6.0  1100 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   NEW CANAAN             6.0   525 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   NORWALK                6.0   830 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   STAMFORD               5.3   940 PM 11/07  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   NORTH STAMFORD         5.2   940 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 

...MIDDLESEX COUNTY...
   MIDDLETOWN             5.0   707 PM 11/07  AMATEUR RADIO          
   DURHAM                 4.5   510 PM 11/07  BROADCAST MEDIA        
   WESTBROOK              4.0   700 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   HADDAM                 3.5   500 AM 11/08  CT DOT                 

...NEW HAVEN COUNTY...
   CLINTONVILLE          13.5   526 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   HAMDEN                12.0   551 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   NORTH HAVEN           12.0   145 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   MERIDEN               10.8   718 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   WALLINGFORD           10.0   840 PM 11/07  TRAINED SPOTTER        
   NAUGATUCK              9.1  1150 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   ORANGE                 9.1   723 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   NORTH BRANFORD         9.0   100 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   WOLCOTT                9.0   638 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   NEW HAVEN              9.0   708 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   SEYMOUR                9.0   830 PM 11/07  TRAINED SPOTTER        
   NORTH GUILFORD         8.0   500 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   WATERBURY              6.3   300 AM 11/08  CT DOT                 
   BEACON FALLS           5.8   500 AM 11/08  CT DOT                 
   ANSONIA                5.5   752 PM 11/07  AMATEUR RADIO          
   BRANFORD               5.0   900 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   GUILFORD               4.7  1030 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 

...NEW LONDON COUNTY...
   COLCHESTER             5.0   500 AM 11/08  CT DOT                 
   VOLUNTOWN              3.0   717 PM 11/07  AMATUER RADIO          

NEW JERSEY

...BERGEN COUNTY...
   RIDGEFIELD             7.5  1030 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   RUTHERFORD             5.0   200 AM 11/08  NJ TPK AUTHORITY       
   RIDGEWOOD              4.8  1000 PM 11/07  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   FRANKLIN LAKES         4.0  1200 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   PARAMUS                4.0   200 AM 11/08  NJ TPK AUTHORITY       
   MIDLAND PARK           3.2  1030 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   RIVERVALE              3.0   530 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 

...ESSEX COUNTY...
   NEWARK AIRPORT         6.2   730 AM 11/08  FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER  
   MILLBURN               6.0  1015 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   NORTH CALDWELL         6.0   600 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   CEDAR GROVE            5.8  1205 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   WEST ORANGE            5.5   100 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   BLOOMFIELD             4.3  1040 PM 11/07  SKYWARN SPOTTER        

...HUDSON COUNTY...
   JERSEY CITY            6.0   200 AM 11/08  NJ TPK AUTHORITY       
   HARRISON               5.2   215 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   KEARNY                 3.5  1030 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   SECAUCUS               3.5   200 AM 11/08  NJ TPK AUTHORITY       
   HOBOKEN                3.3   740 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        

...PASSAIC COUNTY...
   CLIFTON                4.5   200 AM 11/08  NJ TPK AUTHORITY       
   HAWTHORNE              4.5   709 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   BLOOMINGDALE           4.3  1215 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   HASKELL                4.3  1100 PM 11/07  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   WEST MILFORD           3.5   230 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   WAYNE                  3.0   718 PM 11/07  TRAINED SPOTTER        

...UNION COUNTY...
   BERKELEY HEIGHTS       7.5   945 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   ELIZABETH              5.4  1200 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   ROSELLE                5.2   718 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   CLARK                  4.0   200 AM 11/08  NJ TPK AUTHORITY       
   UNION                  3.5   200 AM 11/08  NJ TPK AUTHORITY       

NEW YORK

...BRONX COUNTY...
   PARKCHESTER            5.0   555 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   RIVERDALE              4.4  1230 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   EAST TREMONT           4.1  1220 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   CITY ISLAND            3.0   840 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 

...KINGS COUNTY...
   MARINE PARK            4.0  1130 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   BAY RIDGE              4.0   625 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   SHEEPSHEAD BAY         3.5  1030 PM 11/07  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   1 NNW KENSINGTON       3.0   858 PM 11/07  TRAINED SPOTTER        

...NASSAU COUNTY...
   WOODMERE               8.5   838 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   ALBERTSON              8.5   830 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   NORTH VALLEY STREAM    8.0   634 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   CARLE PLACE            7.4   817 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   ROCKVILLE CENTRE       7.0   400 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   HICKSVILLE             6.6   929 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   MALVERNE               6.5  1115 PM 11/07  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   BETHPAGE               6.2   630 AM 11/08  NWS EMPLOYEE           
   JERICHO                6.0   741 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   LYNBROOK               5.0   800 AM 11/08  TRAINED SPOTTER        
   NEW HYDE PARK          4.5  1215 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   MERRICK                4.4   524 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   WANTAGH                4.1   955 PM 11/07  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   GARDEN CITY            3.4   745 PM 11/07  TRAINED SPOTTER        

...NEW YORK COUNTY...
   CENTRAL PARK           4.7   700 AM 11/08  CPK CONSERVANCY            
   HAMILTON HOUSES        2.0  1000 PM 11/07  TRAINED SPOTTER        

...ORANGE COUNTY...
   WARWICK                4.7  1025 PM 11/07  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   HARRIMAN               4.5   925 PM 11/07  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   BLOOMING GROVE         4.1   834 PM 11/07  TRAINED SPOTTER        
   MONROE                 4.1   725 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   CORNWALL LANDING       4.0   940 PM 11/07  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   TUXEDO PARK            4.0   858 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   GOSHEN                 3.9   745 PM 11/07  TRAINED SPOTTER        
   MIDDLETOWN             3.9   705 PM 11/07  TRAINED SPOTTER        
   NEWBURGH               3.0   900 PM 11/07  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   NEW WINDSOR            2.6   716 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   WASHINGTONVILLE        2.1   834 PM 11/07  TRAINED SPOTTER        

...PUTNAM COUNTY...
   MAHOPAC                6.5   815 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   KENT CLIFFS            6.5  1030 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   BREWSTER               3.5   440 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 

...QUEENS COUNTY...
   BAYSIDE                7.9   748 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   WHITESTONE             7.0   600 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   FLUSHING               7.0  1200 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   FRESH MEADOWS          6.5  1100 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   HOWARD BEACH           6.0  1000 PM 11/07  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   MIDDLE VILLAGE         6.0  1000 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   NYC/JFK AIRPORT        4.3   731 AM 11/08  FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER  
   ASTORIA                4.2   730 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   FOREST HILLS           2.0   734 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   NYC/LA GUARDIA         1.1   100 AM 11/08  FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER  

...RICHMOND COUNTY...
   GREAT KILLS            6.4   945 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   FORT WADSWORTH         3.0   920 PM 11/07  NWS EMPLOYEE           
   ANNADALE               2.8   649 PM 11/07  TRAINED SPOTTER        
   BAY TERRACE            2.2   700 PM 11/07  TRAINED SPOTTER        

...ROCKLAND COUNTY...
   STONY POINT            2.5   941 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   NANUET                 1.0   350 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   WEST NYACK             1.0   527 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 

...SUFFOLK COUNTY...
   STONY BROOK            5.8   900 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   RONKONKOMA             5.0   900 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   PORT JEFFERSON         5.0   819 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   EAST NORTHPORT         4.5   740 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   NORTH BABYLON          4.5   749 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   ISLIP AIRPORT          4.2   100 PM 11/08  FAA CONTRACT OBSERVER  
   BAY SHORE              4.0   700 AM 11/08  NWS EMPLOYEE           
   CENTEREACH             3.8   916 AM 11/08  NWS EMPLOYEE           
   HOLBROOK               3.5   900 AM 11/08  NWS EMPLOYEE           
   SMITHTOWN              3.5   941 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   WEST ISLIP             2.8   955 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   MOUNT SINAI            2.7   600 AM 11/08  NWS EMPLOYEE           
   SAYVILLE               2.5   730 AM 11/08  NWS EMPLOYEE           
   PATCHOGUE              1.8  1231 PM 11/08  NWS EMPLOYEE           
   LAKE GROVE             1.6   805 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   UPTON                  1.1   707 AM 11/08  NWS OFFICE             

...WESTCHESTER COUNTY...
   ARMONK                 9.5   600 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   BRONXVILLE             9.5   816 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   SOMERS                 9.0   835 AM 11/08  PUBLIC                 
   SCARSDALE              7.2   200 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   YONKERS                6.3   944 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   LARCHMONT              6.0  1015 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   MOUNT KISCO            6.0   745 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 
   WHITE PLAINS           5.0   900 AM 11/08  SKYWARN SPOTTER        
   OSSINING               4.5  1030 PM 11/07  PUBLIC                 


****************COCORAHS STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL****************

LOCATION              24 HOUR     TIME/DATE   COMMENTS                  
                     SNOWFALL           OF
                     /INCHES/   MEASUREMENT

CONNECTICUT

...FAIRFIELD COUNTY...
   3 SSE BROOKFIELD       4.5   600 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               

...MIDDLESEX COUNTY...
   1 S PORTLAND           6.0   700 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               

...NEW HAVEN COUNTY...
   2 NW NEW HAVEN         7.2   700 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               
   3 ESE MILFORD          6.2  1000 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               
   2 ENE PROSPECT         5.5   430 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               

...NEW LONDON COUNTY...
   3 WNW OAKDALE          1.3   600 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               

NEW JERSEY

...BERGEN COUNTY...
   1 W TENAFLY            7.6   615 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               
   1 SSE OAKLAND          4.8   645 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               
   WNW OAKLAND            4.2   600 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               

...ESSEX COUNTY...
   1 NE WEST CALDWELL T   5.0   600 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               
   1 NE CEDAR GROVE TWP   3.5   500 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               
   2 S BLOOMFIELD         3.0   630 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               
   2 NNE MONTCLAIR        2.8   700 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               

...HUDSON COUNTY...
   N HARRISON             5.2   600 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               

...PASSAIC COUNTY...
   1 WNW LITTLE FALLS T   5.3   700 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               
   1 SSE HAWTHORNE        4.5   600 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               
   6 NE WEST MILFORD TW   3.8   600 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               
   3 NE WEST MILFORD TW   3.5   500 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               

...UNION COUNTY...
   1 NNW CRANFORD TWP     4.9   600 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               

NEW YORK

...PUTNAM COUNTY...
   6 N CARMEL HAMLET      4.5   700 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               
   8 NE COLD SPRINGS      4.2   450 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               
   4 ESE BEACON           3.1   540 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               

...QUEENS COUNTY...
   5 WSW QUEENS           7.0   600 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               

...RICHMOND COUNTY...
   1 SE STATEN ISLAND     5.6   530 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               

...SUFFOLK COUNTY...
   1 ESE BAY SHORE        4.0   400 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               
   1 WSW RONKONKOMA       3.5   700 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               
   2 NNE NORTHPORT        0.5   700 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               

...WESTCHESTER COUNTY...
   1 SW YORKTOWN HEIGHT   6.0   700 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               
   2 NW SOUTH SALEM       4.3   600 AM 11/08  COCORAHS               


***********************PEAK WIND GUST***********************

LOCATION             MAX WIND     TIME/DATE   COMMENTS                  
                        GUST            OF
                         MPH    MEASUREMENT

CONNECTICUT

...ANZ330...
   2 S GROTON              60   300 AM 11/08  MESONET                

...MIDDLESEX COUNTY...
   1 NNW KILLINGWORTH      44   910 PM 11/07  MESONET                

...NEW HAVEN COUNTY...
   NEW HAVEN               40   735 PM 11/07  ASOS                   

...NEW LONDON COUNTY...
   GROTON AIRPORT          45   941 PM 11/07  ASOS                   

NEW JERSEY

...ESSEX COUNTY...
   1 N MONTCLAIR           44  1055 PM 11/07  MESONET                

NEW YORK

...ANZ330...
   2 NNW MATTITUCK         52   422 PM 11/07  MESONET                
   BUOY 44039              45   515 PM 11/07  BUOY                   

...ANZ345...
   1 S CAPTREE STATE PA    49   405 PM 11/07  MESONET                
   2 SSE EAST MORICHES     40   100 PM 11/07  MESONET                

...ANZ355...
   BUOY 44065              42  1050 AM 11/07  BUOY                   

...ANZ370...
   BUOY 44025              54   150 PM 11/07  BUOY                   

...QUEENS COUNTY...
   NYC/JFK AIRPORT         44   715 PM 11/07  ASOS                   
   NYC/LA GUARDIA          43  1051 PM 11/07  ASOS                   

...SUFFOLK COUNTY...
   4 ENE PLUM ISLAND       58  1047 PM 11/07  MESONET                
   3 W HITHER HILLS STA    54   717 PM 11/07  MESONET                
   1 SW MONTAUK            53  1204 AM 11/08  MESONET                
   EATONS NECK             53   710 PM 11/07  MESONET                
   1 ENE MONTAUK HIGHWA    49   830 PM 11/07  MESONET                
   2 E BELLE TERRE         48   410 PM 11/07  MESONET                
   ISLIP AIRPORT           48   717 PM 11/07  ASOS                   
   WESTHAMPTON BEACH AI    48   726 PM 11/07  ASOS                   
   MONTAUK                 47   714 PM 11/07  ASOS                   
   EAST FARMINGDALE        47   459 PM 11/07  ASOS                   
   WESTHAMPTON BEACH       47   618 PM 11/07  ASOS                   
   EAST HAMPTON AIRPORT    46   655 PM 11/07  ASOS                   
   SHIRLEY AIRPORT         44   737 PM 11/07  ASOS                   
   1 ENE OCEAN BEACH       44   320 PM 11/07  MESONET                

$$

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27 minutes ago, Toekneeweather said:

Was there any thundersnow with this storm?

yes. At my house in Lower Macungie Township PA  near Allentown PA at 5:00 am this morning. 3 separate strikes of lightning IT woke me up out of bed and it was vomiting snow at the time as a heavy band set up over the LV. I recorded 9 inches of snow/sleet 

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Wow very comparable in places like JFK and EWR, but the total for LGA was surprisingly low in that earlier storm.  It was still king in Nassau County where we had up to 9 inches right down to the South Shore and parts of Central NJ had up to 14 inches!

 

Thanks Don, as far as snowfall totals are concerned, they are very comparable, although the distribution was different, and that one was far less disruptive although equally less well predicted.  I think people were still in shock after Sandy so their lives had already been so disrupted that storm could not disrupt them much farther.

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3 hours ago, Albedoman said:

yes. At my house in Lower Macungie Township PA  near Allentown PA at 5:00 am this morning. 3 separate strikes of lightning IT woke me up out of bed and it was vomiting snow at the time as a heavy band set up over the LV. I recorded 9 inches of snow/sleet 

How did Carbon County do with this storm?  Talking about places like Jim Thorpe, Lehighton, Albrightsville, Lake Harmony, Hazleton, etc.?

 

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I am going to post this on another thread also so that I might get an answer. Can any of you tell me what EXACTLY IS the criteria for NYC and or NJ to treat main roads or bridges with Brine or Salt ? I mean when do they treat roads is it once WWA are issued or WSW or sooner ? I realize everyone dropped the ball with this last storm as far as the roads go but under what circumstance or rule do they actually treat the roads ahead of time ? Thanks in advance

 

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26 minutes ago, Brasiluvsnow said:

I am going to post this on another thread also so that I might get an answer. Can any of you tell me what EXACTLY IS the criteria for NYC and or NJ to treat main roads or bridges with Brine or Salt ? I mean when do they treat roads is it once WWA are issued or WSW or sooner ? I realize everyone dropped the ball with this last storm as far as the roads go but under what circumstance or rule do they actually treat the roads ahead of time ? Thanks in advance

 

This link contains relevant information:

https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/oom/transportation-maintenance/repository/NYS_SI_Manual_Apr2006_RevJan2012.pdf

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1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said:

Don thanks , I actually googled that and looked at it before I posted there is A LOT of info in there. All I want to know is when do they make the call to treat the roads ? Is there a requirement ? Is it a Gut call ? Does a watch or a warning have to go up/ be issued as I can swear the roads by me have been treated without watches or warnings in the past. 

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I think even if they had pretreated the roads in NYC and surrounding areas the intense rate in which the snowfall came in, it wouldn’t of really mattered. I’ve seen plenty of times where heavy snow at the beginning of an event overcomes the pretreat and the roads get snowcovered, as long as temps are cold (20’s).

The real problem I think was that most of the general public wasn’t thinking that much was coming so most everyone just went to work like they normally do and didn’t take mass transit or their job having them stay home like if a big storm was coming. Combine all that with just horrible timing, busses not having chains on them and NY Sanitation not being ready to start at least spreading when it started to stick to the road and build up, and you have a recipe for disaster and that’s exactly what happened

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I wonder if this is a red flag for what will happen later in the season too.
I can remember another season where this kept happening over and over again and the models kept correcting snowier with the night time model runs.................. 1993-94.
If we see this kind of track and high placement  a lot this winter this may end up being like that winter.

You’re right, and that’s my All-Time favorite winter. Imagine this: I was 11, and all of the preceding winters up until then throughout elementary school... no snow days.


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