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Bismarck, ND just had their 5th coldest DJF on record.  Mean DJF temp was -0.4F. 

The only colder DJFs on record were 1978-79, 1935-36, 1886-87, 1874-75.  Of course DJF 1935-36 was incredibly cold, with a mean temp of -11.4F.

I'm guessing that Feb 2019 (mean temp -0.4F, departure of -18.5F from 1981-2010 normals) was the 2nd coldest Feb on record in Bismarck, behind Feb 1936.

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https://bismarcktribune.com/news/local/bismarck/bismarck-s-winter-coldest-in-a-generation/article_3838c9a9-0199-5853-86f4-f8815b21539a.html

Edit: Amazingly enough, Williston ND had an even colder February 2019.  Mean temp -4.5F, departure from normal -21.4F.  Coldest day of the month was 2/8/2019, with a high/low of -9/-43, departure -41.

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5 hours ago, mimillman said:

Seems like it could be a prettt horrendous end to winter in this area. Bring on the warmth. 

Everyone loves cold and no snow especially in March. Skilling mentioned pattern change mid month. By St. Patrick's Day winter's accum. snows could be done in our area. Then one month of no mans land called pseudo spring till real sustained warmth comes mid April like most every year around here.

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Duluth might end up with the 3rd longest stretch on record for consecutive days below freezing. Right now the streak is 52 days.  

Top 5 streaks are:

76 days in 1874-75

72 days in 1978-79

59 days in 1928-29

59 days in 1970-71

59 days in 1993-94

INL won’t get anywhere close to their record of 101 days in 1978-79...wow. 

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I haven't been above freezing since Jan 5th and was only above freezing 10 days during the entire met winter.

9 hours ago, beavis1729 said:

Duluth might end up with the 3rd longest stretch on record for consecutive days below freezing. Right now the streak is 52 days.  

Top 5 streaks are:

76 days in 1874-75

72 days in 1978-79

59 days in 1928-29

59 days in 1970-71

59 days in 1993-94

INL won’t get anywhere close to their record of 101 days in 1978-79...wow. 

 

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Getting to my least favorite time of the year. Just hate March and April. The seasonal affective disorder kicks in. Can’t wait for some sunshine and warmth soon. I need to move someplace warmer. 

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Wausau, WI obliterated their all-time monthly snowfall record.

And, Rhinelander, WI beat their Feb snowfall record by 22"...and the record had stood for 82 years.

     Wausau All-time Snowiest Months on Record

Rank Snowfall Month/Year
     
1. 54.3 Feb 2019
2. 37.6 Dec 2008
3. 36.2 Mar 1956
4. 35.5 Mar 1985
5T. 34.5 Apr 2018
5T. 34.5 Feb 1945

Rhinelander February Snowfall Records

Rank Snowfall Year
     
1. 61.5 2019
2. 39.5 1937
3. 28.5 2012
4. 28.0 1940
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14 hours ago, beavis1729 said:

Wausau, WI obliterated their all-time monthly snowfall record.

And, Rhinelander, WI beat their Feb snowfall record by 22"...and the record had stood for 82 years.

     Wausau All-time Snowiest Months on Record

Rank Snowfall Month/Year
     
1. 54.3 Feb 2019
2. 37.6 Dec 2008
3. 36.2 Mar 1956
4. 35.5 Mar 1985
5T. 34.5 Apr 2018
5T. 34.5 Feb 1945

Rhinelander February Snowfall Records

Rank Snowfall Year
     
1. 61.5 2019
2. 39.5 1937
3. 28.5 2012
4. 28.0 1940

 

That is a lot of snow for one month for a non-belt locale.

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The snowfall and % of mean maps are nice, but completely miss the tenor of a given season. For example, you would think Milwaukee and Chicago were both in the same blah situation this winter...but my brother and his family live in the northern suburbs of Milwaukee, and they have had a decent stretch since January 10th or so (generally 3” or more of snow cover the entire time)...whereas Chicago has been pretty crappy. ORD had the November storm which melted in 3 days, and Milwaukee didn’t...which skews the numbers. 

Of course the numbers are what they are...but it tells a severely incomplete story. 

Are there any maps of season-to-date SDDs (snow depth days)? This is the cumulative total of adding each day’s snow depth in inches. Gives a much better picture of how the winter has been, because it depends on temperature, snowfall, retention, and consistency of winterlike conditions. 

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The lower lakes didn't have a particularly great winter due to the late start. Obviously, a historically great winter like what was being touted was pure lollllllllllllllll

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4 hours ago, Angrysummons said:

The lower lakes didn't have a particularly great winter due to the late start. Obviously, a historically great winter like what was being touted was pure lollllllllllllllll

The pattern was there for an epic winter in the lower lakes but the storm track was just a bit further NW during Feb.. Areas of MN,WI really crashed in. Had a good Jan. stretch so if Chicago even is on the receiving end of a couple of those Feb.systems would have been memorable. Imby still sitting at about 47" on the year.

Sad thing is that pattern may not show itself again for awhile.

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How is it possible for every single storm to take the exact same track for the past 5 weeks??

On top of that...even if the storm tracks west of you, shouldn't enough antecedent cold air remain in place so that the warm air rides above it...as opposed to just displacing it entirely at all levels?  It's completely maddening and frustrating. One could even argue that we had a similar pattern as 1978-79 (the holy grail of winters in Chicago), but displaced about 100 miles north.  The margin of error is so narrow here in the tropics, as Cary67 alluded to above.

I am convinced that the unacceptably huge thaw after the arctic outbreak in late January was the death knell of winter in our area.  It wiped out 12"+ of snow cover all at once.  If that decent snowpack would have remained in place across most of the Midwest, it may have displaced the baroclinic zone/storm track a bit further south...and it could be an entirely different ballgame.

I guess it's more understandable in March...but in DJF, you shouldn't have to worry about exactly where a storm tracks.  If there is precip, it should be snow.

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Sooooooo I was promised a pattern flip following this miserably frigid start to March. Now I'm hearing in the SE forum that it's supposed to stay cold the rest of the month? What devilment is this?

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59 minutes ago, CheeselandSkies said:

Sooooooo I was promised a pattern flip following this miserably frigid start to March. Now I'm hearing in the SE forum that it's supposed to stay cold the rest of the month? What devilment is this?

If you can suffer through March the CFS says the eastern half of the country will be an inferno and it's never wrong. :sizzle:

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On 3/4/2019 at 1:01 PM, LakeEffectOH said:

If you live in the Cleveland, OH area...there's a LOT to complain about!Pitiful_4.JPG.6c7913d89961ef87d0a408cfc1eeb86f.JPGPitiful_3.thumb.JPG.44c84f991f651dcc5ec16ce8b117ffa0.JPG

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Looking at these maps you would never guess this was an El Nino winter.

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5 hours ago, roardog said:

Looking at these maps you would never guess this was an El Nino winter.

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Yeah, this past February's 500mb anomalies say otherwise...Nasty -PNA there!

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On multiple occasions--most recently yesterday--Detroit's afternoon daily climate summary showed snowfall and then the final daily climate summary reduced or eliminated the measurable snowfall. Does anyone know why this has occurred on multiple occasions this winter?

Afternoon daily climate summary for March 6:

000
CDUS43 KDTX 062129
CLIDTW


CLIMATE REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DETROIT/PONTIAC MI
428 PM EST WED MAR 6 2019


...................................

...THE DETROIT MI CLIMATE SUMMARY FOR MARCH 6 2019...
VALID TODAY AS OF 0400 PM LOCAL TIME.

CLIMATE NORMAL PERIOD 1981 TO 2010
CLIMATE RECORD PERIOD 1874 TO 2019


WEATHER ITEM   OBSERVED TIME   RECORD YEAR NORMAL DEPARTURE LAST
                VALUE   (LST)  VALUE       VALUE  FROM      YEAR
                                                  NORMAL
..................................................................
TEMPERATURE (F)
TODAY
  MAXIMUM         22    356 PM  67    2009  41    -19       44
                                      1961
                                      1951
  MINIMUM          9    706 AM   0    2015  25    -16       31
  AVERAGE         16                        33    -17       38

PRECIPITATION (IN)
  TODAY            T             0.73 1959   0.07  -0.07     0.10
  MONTH TO DATE    0.02                      0.43  -0.41     1.52
  SINCE MAR 1      0.02                      0.43  -0.41     1.52
  SINCE JAN 1      4.10                      4.41  -0.31     7.15

SNOWFALL (IN)
  TODAY            0.1           4.0  1999   0.3   -0.2      0.6
  MONTH TO DATE    0.7                       1.8   -1.1      5.6
  SINCE MAR 1      0.7                       1.8   -1.1      5.6
  SINCE JUL 1     29.4                      35.7   -6.3     58.3
  SNOW DEPTH       T
 

Final daily climate summary:

000
CDUS43 KDTX 070545
CLIDTW


CLIMATE REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DETROIT/PONTIAC MI
1245 AM EST THU MAR 7 2019


...................................

...THE DETROIT MI CLIMATE SUMMARY FOR MARCH 6 2019...

CLIMATE NORMAL PERIOD 1981 TO 2010
CLIMATE RECORD PERIOD 1874 TO 2019


WEATHER ITEM   OBSERVED TIME   RECORD YEAR NORMAL DEPARTURE LAST
                VALUE   (LST)  VALUE       VALUE  FROM      YEAR
                                                  NORMAL
..................................................................
TEMPERATURE (F)
YESTERDAY
  MAXIMUM         22    455 PM  67    2009  41    -19       44
                                      1961
                                      1951
  MINIMUM          9    706 AM   0    2015  25    -16       31
  AVERAGE         16                        33    -17       38

PRECIPITATION (IN)
  YESTERDAY        T             0.73 1959   0.07  -0.07     0.10
  MONTH TO DATE    0.02                      0.43  -0.41     1.52
  SINCE MAR 1      0.02                      0.43  -0.41     1.52
  SINCE JAN 1      4.10                      4.41  -0.31     7.15

SNOWFALL (IN)
  YESTERDAY        T             4.0  1999   0.3   -0.3      0.6
  MONTH TO DATE    0.6                       1.8   -1.2      5.6
  SINCE MAR 1      0.6                       1.8   -1.2      5.6
  SINCE JUL 1     29.3                      35.7   -6.4     58.3
  SNOW DEPTH       T

 

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On 3/5/2019 at 5:59 PM, beavis1729 said:

How is it possible for every single storm to take the exact same track for the past 5 weeks??

On top of that...even if the storm tracks west of you, shouldn't enough antecedent cold air remain in place so that the warm air rides above it...as opposed to just displacing it entirely at all levels?  It's completely maddening and frustrating. One could even argue that we had a similar pattern as 1978-79 (the holy grail of winters in Chicago), but displaced about 100 miles north.  The margin of error is so narrow here in the tropics, as Cary67 alluded to above.

I am convinced that the unacceptably huge thaw after the arctic outbreak in late January was the death knell of winter in our area.  It wiped out 12"+ of snow cover all at once.  If that decent snowpack would have remained in place across most of the Midwest, it may have displaced the baroclinic zone/storm track a bit further south...and it could be an entirely different ballgame.

I guess it's more understandable in March...but in DJF, you shouldn't have to worry about exactly where a storm tracks.  If there is precip, it should be snow.

 

Not only that but the models have honed in on them far out. How many times have we had a storm show up day 7-10 and hold steady on the models? It is beyond maddening! Time for it to end!

 

The lake has saved the day here but that is not saying much either.

 

 

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Pattern sucks.  I call it the no man's land pattern, where you are too far north for severe and too far south for snow.  Unfortunately it's not all that unusual at this time of year around here. 

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23 hours ago, donsutherland1 said:

On multiple occasions--most recently yesterday--Detroit's afternoon daily climate summary showed snowfall and then the final daily climate summary reduced or eliminated the measurable snowfall. Does anyone know why this has occurred on multiple occasions this winter?

Afternoon daily climate summary for March 6:

000
CDUS43 KDTX 062129
CLIDTW


CLIMATE REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DETROIT/PONTIAC MI
428 PM EST WED MAR 6 2019


...................................

...THE DETROIT MI CLIMATE SUMMARY FOR MARCH 6 2019...
VALID TODAY AS OF 0400 PM LOCAL TIME.

CLIMATE NORMAL PERIOD 1981 TO 2010
CLIMATE RECORD PERIOD 1874 TO 2019


WEATHER ITEM   OBSERVED TIME   RECORD YEAR NORMAL DEPARTURE LAST
                VALUE   (LST)  VALUE       VALUE  FROM      YEAR
                                                  NORMAL
..................................................................
TEMPERATURE (F)
TODAY
  MAXIMUM         22    356 PM  67    2009  41    -19       44
                                      1961
                                      1951
  MINIMUM          9    706 AM   0    2015  25    -16       31
  AVERAGE         16                        33    -17       38

PRECIPITATION (IN)
  TODAY            T             0.73 1959   0.07  -0.07     0.10
  MONTH TO DATE    0.02                      0.43  -0.41     1.52
  SINCE MAR 1      0.02                      0.43  -0.41     1.52
  SINCE JAN 1      4.10                      4.41  -0.31     7.15

SNOWFALL (IN)
  TODAY            0.1           4.0  1999   0.3   -0.2      0.6
  MONTH TO DATE    0.7                       1.8   -1.1      5.6
  SINCE MAR 1      0.7                       1.8   -1.1      5.6
  SINCE JUL 1     29.4                      35.7   -6.3     58.3
  SNOW DEPTH       T
 

Final daily climate summary:

000
CDUS43 KDTX 070545
CLIDTW


CLIMATE REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DETROIT/PONTIAC MI
1245 AM EST THU MAR 7 2019


...................................

...THE DETROIT MI CLIMATE SUMMARY FOR MARCH 6 2019...

CLIMATE NORMAL PERIOD 1981 TO 2010
CLIMATE RECORD PERIOD 1874 TO 2019


WEATHER ITEM   OBSERVED TIME   RECORD YEAR NORMAL DEPARTURE LAST
                VALUE   (LST)  VALUE       VALUE  FROM      YEAR
                                                  NORMAL
..................................................................
TEMPERATURE (F)
YESTERDAY
  MAXIMUM         22    455 PM  67    2009  41    -19       44
                                      1961
                                      1951
  MINIMUM          9    706 AM   0    2015  25    -16       31
  AVERAGE         16                        33    -17       38

PRECIPITATION (IN)
  YESTERDAY        T             0.73 1959   0.07  -0.07     0.10
  MONTH TO DATE    0.02                      0.43  -0.41     1.52
  SINCE MAR 1      0.02                      0.43  -0.41     1.52
  SINCE JAN 1      4.10                      4.41  -0.31     7.15

SNOWFALL (IN)
  YESTERDAY        T             4.0  1999   0.3   -0.3      0.6
  MONTH TO DATE    0.6                       1.8   -1.2      5.6
  SINCE MAR 1      0.6                       1.8   -1.2      5.6
  SINCE JUL 1     29.3                      35.7   -6.4     58.3
  SNOW DEPTH       T

 

 I have noticed this a few times Don lol and they usually correct it and if not I always call them to correct the error haha. What I think happens is that sometimes they mix up Detroit and their own office.  I know at the end of the day they have a sheep where they keep track of the 6 hour obs for the 4 main climate sites.

DTW (Detroit)

DTX (White Lake)

FNT (Flint)

MBS (White Lake)

I have seen on a few occasions where whoever is putting in the climbo at the end of the day will erroneously add up the DTW number for the DTX number or vice versa. 

 

If you look they have corrected the 3/6 climate back to 0.1". There has been a T in the 6 hour obs for days with the frequent flurries and snow showers so it was probably just carelessness in not seeing that an 0.1 fell overnight 3/6.

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1 hour ago, michsnowfreak said:

 I have noticed this a few times Don lol and they usually correct it and if not I always call them to correct the error haha. What I think happens is that sometimes they mix up Detroit and their own office.  I know at the end of the day they have a sheep where they keep track of the 6 hour obs for the 4 main climate sites.

DTW (Detroit)

DTX (White Lake)

FNT (Flint)

MBS (White Lake)

I have seen on a few occasions where whoever is putting in the climbo at the end of the day will erroneously add up the DTW number for the DTX number or vice versa. 

 

If you look they have corrected the 3/6 climate back to 0.1". There has been a T in the 6 hour obs for days with the frequent flurries and snow showers so it was probably just carelessness in not seeing that an 0.1 fell overnight 3/6.

Thanks Josh.

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The last 1" snowfall at ORD was back on February 18.  It would be fairly unusual to not get another 1" snow after that date, but it's looking like a growing possibility.  The last inch has occurred prior to February 18 less than 10 times, with the most recent occurrence happening in 2004.

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1 hour ago, Geoboy645 said:

Well I can definetly tell we have warmed up and are out of winter. This forum is a ghost town now.

It is that dead zone between winter and severe season, kind of like October.

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3 hours ago, Stebo said:

It is that dead zone between winter and severe season, kind of like October.

Well hopefully we will have a Spring soon not this 45/25 crap then slam into the 80's.  In my 7 years back in Indiana that's the one thing I've noticed, Spring and Fall have been more and more non existent.  Almost more of a southern climo lately.

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