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June Is Bustin' Out All Over - Pattern and Model Discussion


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18 minutes ago, Brewbeer said:

ISO New England is predicting a peak load over the next seven days will be 22,410 megawatts next Monday, which is 6,000 megawatts less that the available generation, and 9,000 megawatts less that the available generation + available imports.  Wide spread brown-outs/problems are very unlikely, based on current ISO NE projections.

https://www.iso-ne.com/markets-operations/system-forecast-status/seven-day-capacity-forecast

who/what is ISO, and why is that important to us?     

....anyway, it's a "projection" ... just as much as any prediction based upon inputs. I'm sure you know that - just sayn'  

It's just as likely those are off, because like any prediction system, the inputs may not be correct or skewed - ie, the modeling may be too low(high) etc... 

It's like with convection indices put out to assess severe ?  Those are based on modeled inputs at intervals out in time, but what if the models are wrong...  the index reported accordingly, tornado destroyed town, oops.. 

That all said, the whole brownout thing ...there's nothing "physical" about heat that should cause failure to deliver electrical services to the grid... It's a silly focus for his drama machine to begin with. It is always/only about demand and supply balancing ...

Those sorts of issues, I consider those human-derived.  It's not the same as a flood, or a twister, or a hurricane, or an earthquake, a forest fire, comet impact or a super nova spraying enough cosmic energy our way to sterilize the surface of the planet...  or any other natural disaster.  Those are more about inconvenience based upon our own insufficiency under certain conditions... in other words. Meh  

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5 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

who/what is ISO, and why is that important to us?     

 

From wiki:

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ISO New England Inc. (ISO-NE) is an independent, non-profit Regional Transmission Organization (RTO), headquartered in Holyoke, Massachusetts, serving Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont.[1]

ISO-NE oversees the operation of New England's bulk electric power system and transmission lines, generated and transmitted by its member utilities, as well as Hydro-Québec, NB Power, the New York Power Authority and utilities in New York state, when the need arises. ISO-NE is responsible for reliably operating New England's 32,000 megawatts [MW] (43,000,000 hp) bulk electric power generation and transmission system. One of its major duties is to provide tariffs for the prices, terms, and conditions of the energy supply in New England.[2]

 

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I'm a whitewater paddler, and some of the most reliable white water in New England in the summer time is a result of hydro power generation.  When the wholesale price of power skyrockets, the operators of hydro dams will usually turn the generators on, releasing water and creating rapids which are fun to paddle on a hot summers day.  I've used the real-time map that ginx linked to help figure out whether it's worth it to skip out of work to go paddling.

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53 minutes ago, weathafella said:

Some records could be threatened 

Farmington records: Sat. 95, probably safe; Sun. 94, might be a bit vulnerable, though it would need to be hottest since 2002.  July 2-11 records are all 98+, safe unless bizarro-GFS were to verify.
 

 All about the winds though.  Southerly or easterly won't do it.  Has to be W and NW.

Even overland SW winds bring high dews, and that water is tough to heat.

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The euro is still 100F+ in S NH on Sunday. Let's not totally poopoo this yet. If we were at this point after model output of 90-95 the tune would be different in here. Instead we're comparing it to those bogus GFS 112F temps which never had a chance of happening.

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31 minutes ago, Brewbeer said:

I'm a whitewater paddler, and some of the most reliable white water in New England in the summer time is a result of hydro power generation.  When the wholesale price of power skyrockets, the operators of hydro dams will usually turn the generators on, releasing water and creating rapids which are fun to paddle on a hot summers day.  I've used the real-time map that ginx linked to help figure out whether it's worth it to skip out of work to go paddling.

They will also be firing up the oil powered plants and electricity prices will skyrocket.

There is an oil fired plant in the Harbor in New Haven that sits idle 99 percent of the year. When they fire it up during heatwaves they sell power abour 300-500 times normal market rates. 

Also happens during extreme cold when there isn't enough natural gas for the poweplants. 

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29 minutes ago, dendrite said:

The euro is still 100F+ in S NH on Sunday. Let's not totally poopoo this yet. If we were at this point after model output of 90-95 the tune would be different in here. Instead we're comparing it to those bogus GFS 112F temps which never had a chance of happening.

It's like watching 2-4 foot blizzard model runs reduced to 10-18" ;) 

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29 minutes ago, dendrite said:

The euro is still 100F+ in S NH on Sunday. Let's not totally poopoo this yet. If we were at this point after model output of 90-95 the tune would be different in here. Instead we're comparing it to those bogus GFS 112F temps which never had a chance of happening.

Nice model we have there.

Perfectly timed heat wave to escape to the lake.

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1 hour ago, dendrite said:

The euro is still 100F+ in S NH on Sunday. Let's not totally poopoo this yet. If we were at this point after model output of 90-95 the tune would be different in here. Instead we're comparing it to those bogus GFS 112F temps which never had a chance of happening.

Glad we don't live there.

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24 minutes ago, BrianW said:

They will also be firing up the oil powered plants and electricity prices will skyrocket.

There is an oil fired plant in the Harbor in New Haven that sits idle 99 percent of the year. When they fire it up during heatwaves they sell power abour 300-500 times normal market rates. 

Also happens during extreme cold when there isn't enough natural gas for the poweplants. 

Yes those are called peaker plants. Devon and Middletown (GenConn) are peakers as well. 

As for ISO-NE,  they were created by FERC, which is the federal agency that regulates transmission/wholesale energy. So they are fairly important to the NE electric market..

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1 minute ago, dryslot said:

Going to be hard getting to that number,  I can see some possibly getting there, Very skeptical here.

It's 5 days away. You always have to be skeptical.

btw...did we lose Scoot? Drunk and alone on a ski bob in the middle of Lake Winni?

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Just now, powderfreak said:

Makes me miss winter and listening to some complain about a wind whipped 16" because it wasn't the 3.4" of QPF that one 12z Euro run had at day 5.  

Little disappointing after modeled qpf for a run or two was spitting out 36"+ totals....................:lol:

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