tamarack Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 3 hours ago, dendrite said: I have a nice one near work. Want. In the woods (and 20'+ off the ground), that triple fork is classic for broadwing hawk nests. I've seen more of them in "tri-horn" YB than in any other species or stem form. Yellow birch likes a moist soil, moderately well to well drained, but will tolerate a somewhat wetter site. I'm not familiar with river birch preferences but guess they would be similar. Paper birch will tolaerate a drier site but doesn't do well in wetter areas. The clumping probably won't affect height growth as long as the site is reasonably fertile, but diameter growth of the individual stems probably won't be as fast as on a single-stem tree - competition for light being the main reason. The clumped version is more popular for landcaping, it looks more natural because that’s how they typically grow in nature. You actually can place them close to homes and driveways....they just dont provide shade. That seems odd, unless it's a cultivar that doesn't grow very tall. Our 4-stemmed paper birch (natural regeneration, not planted) is 35-40 feet tall and provides plenty of shade, and that species has less dense foliage than YB. Our paper birch was a single stem until damaged by the 1998 ice storm, after which it produced a set of suckers from the base. We selected the most vigorous 3, and 20 years later they're nearly as tall as the momma tree, though only about 5" diameter, half that of the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmanmitch Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Trying to get grass seed to grow and it looks like the weeds are winning the rat race against the grass in one part of my lawn. I'll let it go for now since at least it's green, but once the grass is established I'll probably apply some of that weed killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmanmitch Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 6 hours ago, dendrite said: I have a nice one near work. Want. Yellow birch. There's tons and tons of those growing around my property, including a number of saplings that can probably be dug up and transplanted. There are also quite a few paper birches in the sunnier spots. Grey birch has taken over along some of the sunny road sides as well. I find it rare to find anything except river birches (and maybe some grey birches and their cultivars) in nurseries these days. This is probably because they're more resistant to the bronze birch borer than paper or yellow birch. River birch is the southernmost of the major eastern birch species and primarily grows in the mid-Atlantic and parts of the Southeast. I did plant 10 paper birch saplings along the sunny side of my driveway. I ordered them online because their weren't really any good ones to dig up and transplant. Unlike the valleys, paper birch appears to do okay here since bronze birch borer is not overly cold tolerant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Thoughts on the Cully/Heritage cultivar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I didn’t pick a leaf off yet, but for you experts out there...at first glance, sugar or norway? And yes...these are my holy chicken shoes. Don't judge me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 hour ago, dendrite said: I didn’t pick a leaf off yet, but for you experts out there...at first glance, sugar or norway? And yes...these are my holy chicken shoes. Don't judge me. If I had to guess, I'd say it's a Norway. http://blogs.pjstar.com/gardening/2013/07/12/identifying-norway-maple-and-a-sugar-maple-trees/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 49 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said: If I had to guess, I'd say it's a Norway. http://blogs.pjstar.com/gardening/2013/07/12/identifying-norway-maple-and-a-sugar-maple-trees/ I'd delay a guess until I could pluck a leaf and see if the sap is clear or milky. or until I saw a bud. For both species, there's enough variability due to genetics and position (leaves in full sun are different from those in the shade) to create considerable overlap in characteristics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I plucked off a leaf from the tree and a nearby large (parent?) tree and didn't see what I would describe as white milky sap. I even squeezed the end of the leaf stem to draw out moisture and just got a small amount of clear. Here's a leaf from that large tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 One more off the big tree. Iphone won’t focus up close though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmanmitch Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, dendrite said: I plucked off a leaf from the tree and a nearby large (parent?) tree and didn't see what I would describe as white milky sap. I even squeezed the end of the leaf stem to draw out moisture and just got a small amount of clear. Here's a leaf from that large tree. Sugar maple. If the sap is clear it's a sugar. Norway maple leaves don't normally have a red stem and are shiny on the back and front compared to the sugar maple. Milky sap = Norway maple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Didn’t know I could tell by the mature bark. The large tree definitely looks more like sugar bark than norway based on pics I’ve seen online. Also, thanks to Bob, tamarack, and Mitch for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I failed my horticultural exam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said: I failed my horticultural exam. 2 years of analyzing these trees now and I still can't get it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I need to figure out what the regs are, but we have some area that was marked "wetland" on our property that is basically the runoff for the neighborhood. Right now it's fairly overrun with weedy undergrowth and smaller trees that are more like large shrubs. Ideally I would like to plant some trees back there that could handle the wetter soil and "pretty" it up a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: I need to figure out what the regs are, but we have some area that was marked "wetland" on our property that is basically the runoff for the neighborhood. Right now it's fairly overrun with weedy undergrowth and smaller trees that are more like large shrubs. Ideally I would like to plant some trees back there that could handle the wetter soil and "pretty" it up a little. You can have a dozen of my Salix Alba "cuttings" that fall off every spring...just jab them into the ground. Sufficient payment is an 8" NWS measuring can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, dendrite said: You can have a dozen of my Salix Alba "cuttings" that fall off every spring...just jab them into the ground. Sufficient payment is an 8" NWS measuring can. I did hear willow was good in that type of environment. Maybe it's time I start trading on my government position. Start an illicit aboriculture and weather equipment ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: I did hear willow was good in that type of environment. Maybe it's time I start trading on my government position. Start an illicit aboriculture and weather equipment ring. Iris for ASOS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Just now, OceanStWx said: I need to figure out what the regs are, but we have some area that was marked "wetland" on our property that is basically the runoff for the neighborhood. Right now it's fairly overrun with weedy undergrowth and smaller trees that are more like large shrubs. Ideally I would like to plant some trees back there that could handle the wetter soil and "pretty" it up a little. They may be detention ponds that are part of your property. Definitely will want to see what is allowed on them. We have a few in my neighborhood as well (none on my property) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 minute ago, dendrite said: Iris for ASOS? I'll just dig up CON and leave it in your driveway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Just now, OceanStWx said: I did hear willow was good in that type of environment. Maybe it's time I start trading on my government position. Start an illicit aboriculture and weather equipment ring. Willows love wet environment, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Baroclinic Zone said: They may be detention ponds that are part of your property. Definitely will want to see what is allowed on them. We have a few in my neighborhood as well (none on my property) As far as I know it isn't a detention pond, but sloped to drain all the water off towards the culvert in our neighbor's yard. I can see water actively moving through part of it in the spring during snowmelt, but right now even after a couple days of light rain it's pretty dry on the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 minute ago, OceanStWx said: I'll just dig up CON and leave it in your driveway. I finally get a chance to verify my Davis dews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Just now, OceanStWx said: As far as I know it isn't a detention pond, but sloped to drain all the water off towards the culvert in our neighbor's yard. I can see water actively moving through part of it in the spring during snowmelt, but right now even after a couple days of light rain it's pretty dry on the surface. Detention Ponds are normally dry. They only have water in them during wet periods. Got a picture of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said: Detention Ponds are normally dry. They only have water in them during wet periods. Got a picture of it? Water drains left to right and then towards you (which is towards the street). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: Water drains left to right and then towards you (which is towards the street). So that area behind the hay bales is the "wetlands". I don't think there are any restrictions on you disturbing/planting on this side of that but it's likely that you can't do anything on the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Just now, Baroclinic Zone said: So that area behind the hay bales is the "wetlands". I don't think there are any restrictions on you disturbing/planting on this side of that but it's likely that you can't do anything on the other side. That's how it was labeled on all plots, but I'm not sure it's official wetlands as you might think of designated by a DEP or something like that. I just know we weren't allowed to fill it, or fill all of it (only 4300 sq ft could be filled). So I was wondering if I planted a tree, especially a native one, I'm not filling anything in. Also how would anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Just now, OceanStWx said: That's how it was labeled on all plots, but I'm not sure it's official wetlands as you might think of designated by a DEP or something like that. I just know we weren't allowed to fill it, or fill all of it (only 4300 sq ft could be filled). So I was wondering if I planted a tree, especially a native one, I'm not filling anything in. Also how would anyone know? I would know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 How's the soil there? Any thoughts on planting Blueberries/Raspberries/Blackberries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Just now, Baroclinic Zone said: How's the soil there? Any thoughts on planting Blueberries/Raspberries/Blackberries? I'm guessing the water table isn't that far down, but the topsoil has dried out. But the spring was damp, like real mud season damp. But berries had crossed my mind too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Berries love acidic/moist/wet soil, So a quick soil test would give you an idea of what to plant without amending, If i had to take a guess, There has to be some peat back there which would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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