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Spring Banter, Observation and General Discussion 2018

CapturedNature

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mreaves

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21 minutes ago, amarshall said:

It's interesting the snow hole above Burlington in Southern Quebec.  You'd think the would be buried there. 

That area is flat and open farm fields for the most part.  The St. Lawrence is a definite boundary line.  As soon as you cross the river you notice more snow.  

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Cold Miser

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35 minutes ago, amarshall said:

It's interesting the snow hole above Burlington in Southern Quebec.  You'd think the would be buried there. 

 

11 minutes ago, mreaves said:

That area is flat and open farm fields for the most part.  The St. Lawrence is a definite boundary line.  As soon as you cross the river you notice more snow.  

Yeah, if you've ever driven up to Montreal up 87 and into Canada you can see forever over the fields, then the city just kind of shows up in the distance.  Reminds me a bit like the approach into Dallas, Tx. (except there's no incline in dallas...just the approach from the south makes me think this )

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13 minutes ago, mreaves said:

That area is flat and open farm fields for the most part.  The St. Lawrence is a definite boundary line.  As soon as you cross the river you notice more snow.  

And east of that snow hole one starts to see some elevation, plus slightly more from developing coastals.

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3 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Looking back at some of these old obs forms. Man you will never see this again. -17F on the morning of 12/29/1933 at BOS with an afternoon high of -5F. That is the -11F/-21F day for CON.

http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/orders/IPS/IPS-27C09B34-D3EB-49BA-B11D-68C839189B8B.pdf

Or Farmington's -11/-36 on 12/30/1917.  They did have a -8/-18 on 1/14/2004.  It was followed by -6/-15 on the 15th, and that 2-day average max of -7 is their coldest on record.

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ma blizzard

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2 hours ago, dendrite said:

Looking back at some of these old obs forms. Man you will never see this again. -17F on the morning of 12/29/1933 at BOS with an afternoon high of -5F. That is the -11F/-21F day for CON.

http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/orders/IPS/IPS-27C09B34-D3EB-49BA-B11D-68C839189B8B.pdf

dam now thats a cold airmass! any speculation as to 850/925 temps with something like that? I'd guess the airmass was super cold in the lowest lvls, maybe only mixing to 950 or 925 that day? I mean if you were mixing to 850, it would have to be ~ -35 C during peak heating or something .. crazy 

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53 minutes ago, Cold Miser said:

...I am not sure if anyone has MT Washington Observatory liked on facebook, but the video they posted today was nuts.  10+inches of new, and the otg amount looks insane.

How do people get in and out of there on a daily basis?  
Does anyone the longest that snow has stayed up there into the Spring/ Summer?

I don't think they go in and out daily in winter but when they do, this is how its done.

 

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7 minutes ago, ma blizzard said:

dam now thats a cold airmass! any speculation as to 850/925 temps with something like that? I'd guess the airmass was super cold in the lowest lvls, maybe only mixing to 950 or 925 that day? I mean if you were mixing to 850, it would have to be ~ -35 C during peak heating or something .. crazy 

Good question. The Feb 1943 shot that gave CON and PWM their records (-37F and -39F respectively) delivered -46F to MWN. CON pulled afternoon highs near -10F after a "cheap" early midnight high of -4F on the 15th and then finished at that -37F with light winds by the next morning. BOS had an afternoon high of -3F on the 15th after the midnight high of 6F. The 3am temp was -1F at BOS so they were literally 3 hours away from having their only below 0F max temp on record.

1933 had winds gusting over 30mph at BOS so there was some decent mixing. I don't have the 1933 MWN temps, but I'd assume they were similar to 1943. My guess is 850s were at least -35C. I mean we did -35C in Jan 2004 with -45F at MWN, but we didn't see it translate to the surface like 1933 and 1943 did.

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19 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Good question. The Feb 1943 shot that gave CON and PWM their records (-37F and -39F respectively) delivered -46F to MWN. CON pulled afternoon highs near -10F after a "cheap" early midnight high of -4F on the 15th and then finished at that -37F with light winds by the next morning. BOS had an afternoon high of -3F on the 15th after the midnight high of 6F. The 3am temp was -1F at BOS so they were literally 3 hours away from having their only below 0F max temp on record.

1933 had winds gusting over 30mph at BOS so there was some decent mixing. I don't have the 1933 MWN temps, but I'd assume they were similar to 1943. My guess is 850s were at least -35C. I mean we did -35C in Jan 2004 with -45F at MWN, but we didn't see it translate to the surface like 1933 and 1943 did.

Yeah it takes some special circumstances to get those kind of temps at the sfc...the Feb 2016 airmass sort of shows how to do it down here. We had the coldest readings since 1957 in ORH (and I think BOS too) even though the 850 temps weren't as cold as some more recent cold shots like 1981, 1994, and 2004. The cold was extremely intense around 900-925mb in the 2016 event. It was also kind of a small area too that traveled down through E NY/C and S VT and SNE...it def wasn't as widespread as an event like 1943.

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4 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Yeah it takes some special circumstances to get those kind of temps at the sfc...the Feb 2016 airmass sort of shows how to do it down here. We had the coldest readings since 1957 in ORH (and I think BOS too) even though the 850 temps weren't as cold as some more recent cold shots like 1981, 1994, and 2004. The cold was extremely intense around 900-925mb in the 2016 event. It was also kind of a small area too that traveled down through E NY/C and S VT and SNE...it def wasn't as widespread as an event like 1943.

The 1933 MWN temps must be out there... @OceanStWx?

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14 hours ago, mreaves said:

I still get nervous too but Van Dyke has solidified the defense so much and Lovren has really stepped up too.  Roma will be a tough opponent but I think they can do it.  Its ironic that Coutinho went to Barcelona for these types of opportunities and they're out now.  

It wasn't until van Dijk arrived that I even heard about the fact that Lovren had been playing on his off foot for years to accommodate other defenders in the side. And I loved watching Coutinho, but it is funny that he got bounced by Roma who now play Liverpool. Goes to show you how sometimes these players aren't advised the best by their agents.

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13 hours ago, dendrite said:

Looking back at some of these old obs forms. Man you will never see this again. -17F on the morning of 12/29/1933 at BOS with an afternoon high of -5F. That is the -11F/-21F day for CON.

http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/orders/IPS/IPS-27C09B34-D3EB-49BA-B11D-68C839189B8B.pdf

Ave temp Mass

STOCKBRIDGE COOP -15.5
LOWELL COOP -11.5
BROCKTON COOP -9.5
AMHERST COOP -6.5
TURNERS FALLS COOP -6.5
WILLIAMSTOWN COOP -4.5
BOSTON CITY WSO WBAN -3.5

NH

CONNECTICUT LAKE COOP -24.5
WEST LEBANON COOP -19.5
CONCORD WBAN -16.0
PINKHAM NOTCH COOP -16.0
Concord Area ThreadEx -16.0
BETHLEHEM COOP -14.5
NASHUA 2 NNW COOP -13.0

Msine

SQUA PAN DAM COOP -27.5
RUMFORD COOP -19.5
MOOSEHEAD COOP -19.0
BRASSUA DAM COOP -18.0
HOULTON COOP -17.0
VAN BUREN COOP -16.5
HIRAM 2 S COOP -16.0
LEWISTON COOP -16.0

 

Vt

NORTHFIELD COOP -26.0
BURLINGTON WBAN -22.5
Burlington Area ThreadEx -22.5
ENOSBURG FALLS COOP -22.0
READSBORO 1 SE COOP -15.5
ST ALBANS RADIO COOP -15.0
BLOOMFIELD COOP -14.5
NEWPORT WBAN -13.0
MC INDOE FALLS COOP -11.5

CT

CREAM HILL COOP -5.0
SALISBURY COOP -3.5
HARTFORD BRAINARD FIELD WBAN -1.5
Hartford Area ThreadEx -1.5
STAFFORD SPRINGS NEAR COOP -1.5

Ri

PROVIDENCE WBAN -0.5
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Ginx snewx

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7 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Another morning below freezing. That's like 18 or 19 this month. 

Minimum 20-Day Mean Min Temperature 
for WORCESTER, MA
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.
Rank
Value
Ending Date
Missing Days
1 29.2 2018-04-20 0
2 29.6 1982-04-20 0
- 29.6 1972-04-20 0
4 29.9 1995-04-20 0
5 30.0 2003-04-20 0
6 30.4 1975-04-20 0
7 30.5 1967-04-20 0
8 30.6 1990-04-20 0
9 30.7 1992-04-20 0
10 30.7 1966-04-20
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