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February Mid/Long Range Discussion


George BM

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I remember that one!  We couldn't believe that we got a big snow after such warm weather.  Then we were having snowball fights a couple days later with short sleeves on.

 

1 hour ago, psuhoffman said:

...In March weird things can happen...there is increased baroclinicity and shorter wavelengths and sometimes a less then ideal setup can luck out.  
Also the high temperatures the week leading into that [1976] snowstorm at BWI were 83, 64, 60, and 51...and 42 the DAY OF THE SNOWSTORM!!!!  It was 70 a few days later also...

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The Euro actually had something similar to the GFS. The 16-20th has looked interesting at h5 for a while. Not a great set up but workable with good timing. Still just something to casually watch for now, but we are seeing the idea of a wave tracking underneath showing up on multiple op runs so maybe this becomes a threat for a light to moderate event.

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The one key difference to the d8-10 period showing up right now is HP placement and confluence. We really haven't seen many looks this year inside of 10 days with elongated hp north of us and confluence to force a more W-E trajectory of both precip and low centers. Even a NW pass can offer some promise. 

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1 minute ago, Bob Chill said:

The one key difference to the d8-10 period showing up right now is HP placement and confluence. We really haven't seen many looks this year inside of 10 days with elongated hp north of us and confluence to force a more W-E trajectory of both precip and low centers. Even a NW pass can offer some promise. 

gfs-ens_mslpa_us_34.png

 

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darts anyone?

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1 minute ago, Tenman Johnson said:

So March is magic now and not early to mid Feb?

have not used this term in a long time but it's useful now-the Pied Pipers of winter weather

well considering we are right about mid-Feb and aren't tracking anything I guess it will have to be.  no reason late Feb can't do something.  would be happy with one warning criteria event...heck one advisory level...scratch that steady light snow for couple of hours

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4 minutes ago, Tenman Johnson said:

So March is magic now and not early to mid Feb?

have not used this term in a long time but it's useful now-the Pied Pipers of winter weather

we have already had 2 winter storms this month and below average temps. Not sure what else we can do for you

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3 minutes ago, C.A.P.E. said:

Yes, we know. Persistence. Your crystal ball. Pattern sucks now, so it will suck in March.

 

i remember clearly when Howard called for Rain on Presidents day 2003...ignorning the the 1050 HP that was modeled to be in place

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4 minutes ago, Ji said:

i remember clearly when Howard called for Rain on Presidents day 2003...ignorning the the 1050 HP that was modeled to be in place

I remember when he blamed the NWS temperature sensor, a platinum RTD, for reading too high instead of accepting that DCA is an UHI.

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Just now, Bob Chill said:

It's not even that. The cold push in the mid levels leading in is weak. Still the same idea of confluence/cad/precip though. I'd much prefer the euro to be showing what it is this run instead of no precip at all. 

it showed way better than past 2 runs. the 00z run was ideal and had alot more precip

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one thing is certain...the drought is coming to an end.  1-2" of rain expected this weekend, with more events next week.  really gonna need the 2nd half of feb to deliver because march is not our typical busy snowy month...though if the pattern is ripe, then maybe march can be our feb.

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Continuing to see progress with the developing -NAO in the LR. Looks as if heights are building more into Baffin. Given what is going on in the strat, there is going to be a lot of volatility, and the guidance will probably lag behind, so not too worried about the continued h5 +heights showing in the means over the east through day 15(more so on the EPS). Looking at the temp anomalies on the EPS members there is quite a spread at day 15, with 20 or so indicating cold/very cold, or cold on the doorstep, with the rest looking pretty toasty, implying the Atl ridge is holding strong. This is an improvement over the previous run though. However this ends up, it will be interesting to track. Other than possibly timing something next weekend and getting maybe a mixed event, it is going to be a frustratingly long process to see how things shake out. If we do end up with a more favorable look, it likely will be 2 weeks+ out.

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8 minutes ago, C.A.P.E. said:

Continuing to see progress in the right direction with the developing -NAO in the LR. Looks as if heights are building more into Baffin. Given what is going on in the strat, there is going to be a lot of volatility, and the guidance will probably lag behind, so not too worried about the continued h5 +heights showing over the east through day 15(more so on the EPS). Looking at the temp anomalies on the EPS members there is quite a spread at day 15, with 20 or so indicating cold/very cold/cold on the doorstep, with the rest looking pretty toasty, implying the Atl ridge is holding strong. This is an improvement over the previous run though. However this ends up, it will be interesting to track. Other than possibly timing something next weekend and getting maybe a mixed event, it is going to be a frustratingly long process to see how things shake out. If we do end up with a more favorable look, it likely will be 2 weeks+ out.

At least we can see a light at the end.  In 2 weeks if the two weeks after that look ugly we can just call it a crappy winter and be done.  I think at that point I’ll be at the acceptance stage

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