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3 minutes ago, rochesterdave said:

This pattern screams a more western track. Give me a break. WNY/CNY won't cash in on more than early sleet on the Friday thing. It's a western runner. Look at the corresponding lows and highs.  

 

Well, if you're basing it on the GFS output, yeah, it's self justifying. Whether it's right or not is the real question to be resolved. I'm always skeptical of large changes in runs or evolutions, which I think this is, with CMC and maybe Ukie. We have another day or so for it to sort out.

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Few tidbits from kbuf

 

The aforementioned warm front will be driven north across the Great
Lakes in response to ongoing cyclogenesis across the central Plains
states. Strengthening frontogenesis/isentropic uplift across the
area will lead initially to the development of fairly light but
widespread snow across the forecast area Thursday night, with
precipitation continuing into Friday, as the warm front continues to
linger and gradually press north across the area. Given that
temperatures will be starting out below freezing, with fairly strong
warm advection occurring aloft, it is a fairly good bet that some
areas will see mixed precipitation on Friday, with sleet/freezing
rain not out of the question, particularly across the St. Lawrence
Valley and along the Lake Ontario shore, where colder northeast flow
tends to hang on longer than the models usually advertise.
Temperatures Friday should rise to around 40 along the PA border,
while areas along Lake Ontario and in the North Country will likely
remain below freezing

 

 
For those looking forward to a white Christmas, the latest model
runs are more encouraging, albeit for different reasons. While
considerable model differences persist Sunday night into Monday
regarding the manner in which we may receive snow, they all are
advertising snow in one manner or another across at least some, if
not all of the forecast area. The main question is whether this will
be due to the ECMWF/CMC advertised shortwave progged to pass through
the area and combine with a coastal low moving up the Eastern
Seaboard, resulting in a widespread synoptic snow Sunday night that
morphs into lake effect on Christmas Day, or due to ongoing, and
potentially significant, lake effect snows being enhanced by the
GFS` more northerly interpretation of the former system. Either way,
it should be a cold Christmas, with highs in the 20s

 

 
Once we get through Christmas Day, the model solutions converge on
what should end up being a very cold and potentially snowy period
for western and north-central New York, as arctic air within a deep
longwave trough settles across the Great Lakes through the coming
week. It is worth noting that this is, climatologically speaking,
typically the snowiest period of the year, on average
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Saw an nws model discussion that throws out the GFS for end of week in its entirety. Posted over in NE, FWIW.

Edit: WPC blurb lifted from NE thread...

THE GFS
HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN ON THE FAST SIDE WITH MOVING THIS SURFACE
LOW NORTHWARD ON CHRISTMAS DAY (DAY 5), WHILE THE 12Z ECMWF WAS
MUCH CLOSER TO THE ECENS/GEFS MEAN CONSENSUS, WHICH IS SUPPORTED
BY A DECENT CLUSTERING OF MEMBERS FROM BOTH ENSEMBLES. THUS, THE
ECMWF IS GENERALLY THE PREFERRED DETERMINISTIC SOLUTION FOR
HANDLING OF THE EAST COAST SURFACE LOW DAYS 5-6. THE GFS WAS
REMOVED ENTIRELY FROM THE FORECAST BLEND STARTING ON DAY 5, IN
FAVOR OF INCREASED ENSEMBLE MEAN WEIGHTING ALONG THE OPERATIONAL
ECMWF.
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Someone is going to see lots of snow.. The details of who may not be clear until Sunday/Monday.  12z GFS even has a nice synoptic event next week followed by LES.. models still all over the place.  Only thing they agree on run to run is it will be cold!

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24 minutes ago, wolfie09 said:

Gfs and Canadian couldn’t be more different lol

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It'll be interesting to see KBGM / KBUF discussion updates later today to see if any change in thinking for this weekend. So far they are riding the GFS, mild temps rain etc for friday/sat.

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33 minutes ago, wolfie09 said:

As of Right now Oswego county is just north of the mix line for Friday, they still have the rain and low 40s for Fri night/sat though..

 

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I saw that. Trend on all models is to weaken lead system on friday, so precip amts not high and any changeover in CNY prob not a big deal, other than so. tier.

Big Q is whether GFS verifies for weekend and keeps most precip liquid vs CMC and i think EC which shows delayed multiple waves and colder solutions.

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6 minutes ago, wolfie09 said:

Euro still a cold rain for Saturday, 1/3”-1/2”, is what it is lol

It'll be a close call. If we can keep a NE wind, it may be more of a mix. The Canadian is a close call as well. Nice to see a trend towards a more suppressed system and more amped system for Christmas.

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