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December 8-9 Holiday snow event Observations


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I took a drive this afternoon and was blown away by how much impact lake Lanier has on totals near by. In the course of a mile, I saw it go from 4 to 6 inches still on the ground to ZERO at the lake. Where I stayed at is between the chestatee river and little river...at almost the high point...so im lucky shes at where she is because in both directions there was way less. The max here was 5 inches on the ground before melting started But in less than a 5 minute drive to the west that much was still on the ground at 3pm this afternoon...so I'm guessing there was 7 to 9 at least....just an amazing difference over such a short distance. I knew it had some influence here in marginal situations but this was a bit surprising. Of course the weenie in me makes me feel like I got screwed lol..even though I'm more than happy with seeing what I got and the scenery today was gorgeous .

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19 minutes ago, WidreMann said:

Snowed for hours but no accumulation, not even on the grassy or elevated surfaces. I did find a few little whitish patches south of town, though.

I think the bands hit folks differently through the triangle. Here's a pics I took at 5:20 (nothing compared to people out west but still...):

 

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2 hours ago, WarmNose said:

We're ahead of the game. It just feels like one of those years after a warm winter and pleasant summer. We're due for a strong CAD event. This storm may have set us up for something in the future. It made some solid early season snowpack as it headed north

Way behind where I am. Got a couple of flakes and that is it. Hopefully the next storm takes the Jan 2000 track even though that leaves most of this board out. The Raleigh area folks on the board would love it though. 

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11 minutes ago, atomic_rooster said:

Got 8 inches out of that January 24th storm

Yep that storm gave many places that do not usually get snow a big one. We need another one to take that exact track. We have not had a major snowstorm that hit the Carolinas from the mountains to the eastern piedmont since 1988. It has been either the mountains or the peidmonts of both states since then, but not both from the same system. Not even the superstorm did it. 

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So, this was the biggest snowstorm I've ever witnessed in my life, and the majority of the heaviest snow; where an intense convective snow band setup over my area, occured right around sunset giving me what seemed like hours to view the longest duration heavy huge fat wet flakes that I've ever seen and could have ever imagined would fall. I was standing at my window in absolute AWE of the duration and intensity of it. Literally there were flakes the size of seemingly quarters falling for it seemed like forever. My neighbors were outside looking just about in awe as I was, it was something I will very likely never see again in my life, nor will they. December 8-9,2017 will be a day me as a hardcore weather enthusiast/snow buff will never forget. I could write more about it, but I'm probably boring you. Also, finally those areas in the W/NW Metro like Cobb/Douglas/Carroll, etc got clobbered as well; we have been overdue for all the systems lately that seem to always put us on the wrong side of the rain/snow line. This was OUR storm my north metro neighbors! Also with the deep snowpack it will only managed to hit 35.1 at my house. I'm very excited to see how the snowpack will affect temps over the coming days. Ok, I could probably write more but that's all. WHAT A HISTORIC STORM!!

Oh I forgot to add my total was about 8" or so, but my highest measurement was just under 10"!!!

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Yeah, your right about the early jan. 1988 event ...snow stayed on the ground for days...the 2000 event was Great !  My family lives in Rockingham...they got 21 inches...power was knocked out...the low pressure moved from upper S.C. thru too n.c over Richmond county north to Southern Pines ... then north...  now that's what we need this winter for the Sandhills...too Rise again..Or just Cold rain

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Received 6-7 inches of snow! I was expecting 3 inches. This storm totally over did it.

Someone needs to do a summary on the storm and what actually did happen. was the low that powerful? Was the dry air (or cold air) closer than we expected?

I have not read what everyone is saying about this storm yet, but watching you guys try to figure it out, proves to me it wasn't an easy thing to figure out. 

 I would love to watch a replay of radar from start to finish. I want to see where the rain/snow line setup from TX, MS, AL, to the carolina.  

   

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So, this was the biggest snowstorm I've ever witnessed in my life, and the majority of the heaviest snow; where an intense convective snow band setup over my area, occured right around sunset giving me what seemed like hours to view the longest duration heavy huge fat wet flakes that I've ever seen and could have ever imagined would fall. I was standing at my window in absolute AWE of the duration and intensity of it. Literally there were flakes the size of seemingly quarters falling for it seemed like forever. My neighbors were outside looking just about in awe as I was, it was something I will very likely never see again in my life, nor will they. December 8-9,2017 will be a day me as a hardcore weather enthusiast/snow buff will never forget. I could write more about it, but I'm probably boring you. Also, finally those areas in the W/NW Metro like Cobb/Douglas/Carroll, etc got clobbered as well; we have been overdue for all the systems lately that seem to always put us on the wrong side of the rain/snow line. This was OUR storm my north metro neighbors! Also with the deep snowpack it will only managed to hit 35.1 at my house. I'm very excited to see how the snowpack will affect temps over the coming days. Ok, I could probably write more but that's all. WHAT A HISTORIC STORM!!

Oh I forgot to add my total was about 8" or so, but my highest measurement was just under 10"!!!


Awesome!! Congrats on cashing in..


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16 minutes ago, wx n of atl said:

Received 6-7 inches of snow! I was expecting 3 inches. This storm totally over did it.

Someone needs to do a summary on the storm and what actually did happen. was the low that powerful? Was the dry air (or cold air) closer than we expected?

I have not read what everyone is saying about this storm yet, but watching you guys try to figure it out, proves to me it wasn't an easy thing to figure out. 

 I would love to watch a replay of radar from start to finish. I want to see where the rain/snow line setup from TX, MS, AL, to the carolina.  

I would love to watch a radar loop right around sunset when that intense band seemingly trained over my area. That was out of this world for me and what gave me my biggest snowstorm.

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2 hours ago, Lookout said:

I took a drive this afternoon and was blown away by how much impact lake Lanier has on totals near by. In the course of a mile, I saw it go from 4 to 6 inches still on the ground to ZERO at the lake. Where I stayed at is between the chestatee river and little river...at almost the high point...so im lucky shes at where she is because in both directions there was way less. The max here was 5 inches on the ground before melting started But in less than a 5 minute drive to the west that much was still on the ground at 3pm this afternoon...so I'm guessing there was 7 to 9 at least....just an amazing difference over such a short distance. I knew it had some influence here in marginal situations but this was a bit surprising. Of course the weenie in me makes me feel like I got screwed lol..even though I'm more than happy with seeing what I got and the scenery today was gorgeous .

You know I'd never thought about how the lake could influence local temps in these situations but I suppose it definitely could. Very interesting. After that read I'm glad I live somewhat far to the west of it lol. BTW, Forsyth had a big gradient. I work in East Forsyth and there was certainly a pronounced decrease in accumulations. It's funny, even a couple miles to my south there was a good bit less, but then as I traveled that extra mile or so closer to home is when the totals really racked up. I suppose I'm very lucky to live just as far north as I do. I'm pretty sure I was very near the bullseye in my county! I'm 5 miles NW of Cumming and about 5 mile south of Dawson, btw.

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2 hours ago, Lookout said:

I took a drive this afternoon and was blown away by how much impact lake Lanier has on totals near by. In the course of a mile, I saw it go from 4 to 6 inches still on the ground to ZERO at the lake. Where I stayed at is between the chestatee river and little river...at almost the high point...so im lucky shes at where she is because in both directions there was way less. The max here was 5 inches on the ground before melting started But in less than a 5 minute drive to the west that much was still on the ground at 3pm this afternoon...so I'm guessing there was 7 to 9 at least....just an amazing difference over such a short distance. I knew it had some influence here in marginal situations but this was a bit surprising. Of course the weenie in me makes me feel like I got screwed lol..even though I'm more than happy with seeing what I got and the scenery today was gorgeous .

I couldn’t believe Atlanta airport’s daily snow total of 2.3 inches today was the 2nd highest daily snowfall ever in December.  Only 12/19/00 at 2.5 was higher 

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19 minutes ago, griteater said:

Did any of the N GA folks experience thunder/ lightning with the snow?

The Gulf of Mexico is our ace in the whole down south in terms of precip intensity and amounts. Just tough to marry it with enough cold air. Birmingham to N GA just barely had enough in this case.  Glad it worked out for you all

No thunder or lightning here.  This storm had literal tree crushing snow for GA.  The sounds last night were terrifying yet somehow beautiful.  At first I thought some neighbors were setting off fireworks until I watched a huge branch fall in my yard and I finally matched up the sound to what was happening.  Crack,  crack, crack,  boom.   Simply amazing for so early and so far south.  The tree damage around W and NW Atlanta is probably needless to say, extensive.   NWS confirmed my 9” total.  I estimated 10” so not too far off from official.  It was a true paste job like concrete snow.  

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Some unofficial numbers in NC...

North Carolina snowfall totals – Dec. 8-9pens in new window)

RALEIGH, N.C. (WNCN/AP) — The mountain areas of North Carolina have seen up to 18 inches of snow since Friday.

The National Weather Service reported Saturday that more than 14 inches fell in Burnsville, while there were 12 inches in the Hendersonville area and Asheville Regional Airport recorded 8 inches.

The most snow in North Carolina fell in near Cashiers in Jackson County with 18 inches of snow by 10 p.m. Friday.

Snowfall totals from the National Weather Service as of 1 p.m. Saturday:

Alamance County
   2 ENE BURLINGTON       .5   0810 PM 12/08  Trained spotter

Alexander County
   Taylorsville           6.0  1011 AM 12/09  Public                  

Avery County
   1 NE Altamont          6.5   315 PM 12/08  Public                  
   2 ENE Ingalls          6.5   300 PM 12/08  Public                  
   1 E Sugar Mountain     5.0   234 PM 12/08  Public                  
   1 N Pineola            5.0   400 PM 12/08  Social Media            

Buncombe County
   Fairview              12.0   637 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   4 SSE Asheville       11.0   825 AM 12/09  light snow.  
   Barnardsville         10.0  1140 AM 12/09  2600 feet               
   Skyland               10.0   621 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   Leicester             10.0  1135 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   2 SSE Asheville        9.5  1145 AM 12/09  Public                  
   Avery Creek            9.5   630 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   3 SW Candler           9.5   936 AM 12/09  Public                  
   Weaverville            9.0   915 AM 12/09  Public                  
   9 SE Black Mountain    9.0   645 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   1 NNW Swannanoa        9.0   700 PM 12/08  Public                  
   2 W Fletcher           8.6   700 PM 12/08  Asheville Airport       
   Arden                  8.5   325 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Montreat               8.0   220 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Black Mountain         8.0   305 PM 12/08  2400 ft 
   Candler                8.0   220 PM 12/08  Public                  
   1 N Woodfin            8.0   949 AM 12/09  Public                  
   5 S Asheville          8.0   318 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Swannanoa              7.5   236 PM 12/08  Public                  
   2 W Asheville          7.3   259 PM 12/08  Public                  
   2 NNW Asheville        7.3   700 PM 12/08  UNC Asheville           
   5 WNW Swannanoa        7.0  1109 AM 12/09  light snow              
   1 E Biltmore Forest    7.0   222 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Asheville              6.5   254 PM 12/08  Public                  
   1 N Asheville          6.0   151 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Woodfin                5.5   146 PM 12/08  Public                  

Burke County
   Jonas Ridge            8.0   932 AM 12/09  Public                  
   5 W Morganton          7.0  1050 AM 12/09  light snow              
   Morganton              7.0   839 AM 12/09  light snow              
   Valdese                6.8   901 AM 12/09  light snow              
   3 NNW Oak Hill         6.5   927 PM 12/08  Media         
   3 SE Salem             6.0   933 PM 12/08  Media         
   1 SE Icard             5.5   911 PM 12/08  Media         
   4 WNW Glen Alpine      4.0   755 PM 12/08  Media         
   1 E Morganton          4.0   817 PM 12/08  Media         
   3 NE Valdese           3.5   522 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Connelly Springs       3.0   646 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   1 W Valdese            2.8   410 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   Hildebran              2.0   342 PM 12/08  Public                  
   3 NE Nebo              2.0   455 PM 12/08  Public                  
   1 WSW Hildebran        1.0   230 PM 12/08  Near I-40 MM118         

Caldwell County
   Gamewell               6.0   945 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Granite Falls          4.5   925 PM 12/08  Trained Spotter         
   3 S Cajah'S Mountain   3.5   550 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Lenoir                 3.0   306 PM 12/08  Public                  

Catawba County
   Catawba                3.5   855 PM 12/08  Public                  
   2 SSE Propst           3.0  1000 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   Sherrills Ford         3.0   859 AM 12/09  Public                  

Cleveland County
   Lawndale               4.0  1046 AM 12/09  light snow              
   Earl                   1.0   340 PM 12/08  Amateur Radio           

Davie County
   Sheffield              5.4   756 AM 12/09  Public 

Durham County
     2 ESE CHAPEL HILL    .3     919 AM 12/09  Public 

Forsyth COunty
   3 W WINSTON-SALEM      3.8    1126 AM 12/09  COCORAHS
   4 WNW PFAFFTOWN        3.0    1104 AM 12/09   Public           

Gaston County
   Cherryville            2.5   640 PM 12/08  Social Media            

Graham County
   2 SSW Robbinsville     7.0   600 PM 12/08  Co-Op 

Guilford County     
   High Point             .9    0856 PM  12/08 Media 
   5 NW MONTICELLO       2.9    0949 PM  12/08 Public

Haywood County
   Maggie Valley         12.0   800 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   2 NW Waynesville      11.0   933 AM 12/09  3800 feet.  
   Waynesville           10.5   955 AM 12/09  Public                  
   2 N Balsam            10.0   929 AM 12/09  4150 feet.  
   Canton                 8.0   638 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   4 NE Canton            8.0   550 PM 12/08  Public                  
   1 NE Balsam            7.0   233 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Clyde                  6.5   244 PM 12/08  Public                  

Henderson County
   1 SW Fletcher         15.2  1025 AM 12/09  2680 feet.  
   5 W Hendersonville    13.0   851 AM 12/09  Public                  
   1 ENE Laurel Park     12.0   924 AM 12/09  light snow              
   Mountain Home         11.0   822 AM 12/09  Light snow              
   Flat Rock             11.0  1145 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   Hendersonville        10.0   645 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Dana                  10.0   737 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   Mills River            9.5   823 AM 12/09  light snow              
   2 W Mills River        9.0   553 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Fletcher               7.0   415 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   1 S Hendersonville     5.0   145 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Laurel Park            5.0   128 PM 12/08  CoCoRaHS                
   1 W Fletcher           4.7   107 PM 12/08  Trained Spotter         

Iredell County
   Love Valley            4.5   822 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   Statesville            2.5   736 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   5 N Statesville        2.0   631 PM 12/08  Social Media            

Jackson County
   3 SW Cashiers         18.0  1000 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Cullowhee              9.0   641 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   Cashiers               6.0  1234 PM 12/08  Public                  

Lincoln County
   Lincolnton             2.0   651 PM 12/08  Social Media            

Macon County
   Highlands             15.0   805 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Franklin              11.0   829 AM 12/09  Public                  
   1 NNW Kyle             7.0   145 PM 12/08  2900 feet     

Madison County
   Wolf Laurel            7.5   245 PM 12/08  Public                  
   2 SE Luck              7.0   330 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   Mars Hill              6.8   306 PM 12/08  Public                  
   5 E Allenstand         5.0   400 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   1 NW Allenstand        4.5   400 PM 12/08  CoCoRaHS                

McDowell County
   3 N Ashford           10.0   937 AM 12/09  Public                  
   Little Switzerland    10.0  1000 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   1 N Marion             8.0  1106 AM 12/09  light snow              
   Old Fort               8.0   835 PM 12/08  Media         
   Pleasant Gardens       7.0   939 AM 12/09  light snow              
   5 SSW Old Fort         6.0   320 PM 12/08  Public                  
   3 ESE Old Fort         5.0   437 PM 12/08  Storm total    
   2 SE Marion            4.0   813 PM 12/08  Media         
   3 N Glenwood           2.0   220 PM 12/08  Public                  

Mecklenburg County
   4 S Paw Creek          0.1   813 AM  Charlotte Airport       

Mitchell County
   3 S Spruce Pine        9.5  1137 AM 12/09  Public                  
   3 NE Little Switzerl   8.0   430 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Spruce Pine            7.2   550 PM 12/08  Public                  
   3 SE Bakersville       6.5   445 PM 12/08  CoCoRaHS   

Orange County
   Hillsborough	          1.0   4 AM   12/09  WNCN  
   4 WSW ROUGEMONT        1.0  0745 PM 12/08  Spotter

Person County
   Roxboro                2.4    4 AM 12/09   WNCN            

Polk County
   1 N Saluda             6.8   450 PM 12/08  CoCoRaHS                
   4 SSE Mill Spring      4.0   638 AM 12/09  NWS Employee            

Rowan County
   Mount Ulla             1.0   651 PM 12/08  Media            

Rutherford County
   2 E Bat Cave           5.0   739 PM 12/08  Media            
   Bostic                 2.5  1021 PM 12/08  Spotter         
   Rutherfordton          1.0   249 PM 12/08  Public                  

Swain County
   Bryson City            7.0   416 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Whittier               6.0   723 PM 12/08  Social Media            

Transylvania County
   3 NW Connestee        11.0   530 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Brevard               10.5   700 PM 12/08  Public                  
   Sapphire               9.0   758 AM 12/09  Public                  
   4 ENE Sapphire         8.0   813 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   Pisgah Forest          7.0   139 PM 12/08  Public                  
   10 N Brevard           7.0   237 PM 12/08  Public                  
   2 W Cedar Mountain     7.0   500 PM 12/08  Public    

Vance County
   Henderson             3.0   WNCN    12/09

Wake County
   4 NNE RALEIGH          .5 (Mix) 0912 AM  12/09 Public

Yancey County
   4 S Burnsville        14.5   952 AM 12/09  light snow              
   Celo                   8.0   718 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   Burnsville             7.0   729 PM 12/08  Social Media            
   2 WSW Green Mountain   5.0   131 PM 12/08  CoCoRaHS 

 

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On 12/9/2017 at 5:37 PM, Lookout said:

I took a drive this afternoon and was blown away by how much impact lake Lanier has on totals near by. In the course of a mile, I saw it go from 4 to 6 inches still on the ground to ZERO at the lake. Where I stayed at is between the chestatee river and little river...at almost the high point...so im lucky shes at where she is because in both directions there was way less. The max here was 5 inches on the ground before melting started But in less than a 5 minute drive to the west that much was still on the ground at 3pm this afternoon...so I'm guessing there was 7 to 9 at least....just an amazing difference over such a short distance. I knew it had some influence here in marginal situations but this was a bit surprising. Of course the weenie in me makes me feel like I got screwed lol..even though I'm more than happy with seeing what I got and the scenery today was gorgeous .

I would guesstimate Buford only got about 4" of snow, most of it coming Friday evening around 6:30 PM.  Being right under that rain/snow line, our temps stayed above freezing during most of the event.  It was interesting to note that various Wunderground weather stations were showing 29-30 degrees in the Alpharetta area, while Buford had 34 degrees...only about 5-6 miles, as the crow flies.

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The lakes played a bigger impact for this event b/c the water temperature was still very warm... I'd guess like 60 degree's.  Also, there was very little wind for most of the event to help stir that warm air emitting from the lake away. 

Combine that with the marginal surface temps in general... just a 1 or 2 degree bump from the warm lake water near the shore would have and did kill accumulations. 

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