OceanStWx Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 25 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Thanks. That makes more sense. I remember a few people fired about my example. Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t first order stations do it every 6 hours? Mostly. I would say every 6ish hours. We don't make people get up in the middle of the night if they are a volunteer observer, so sometimes that 06z measurement is skipped. 22 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Also how do you define settling? That’s kind of a gray area there. I wish they just kept it the same as we’ve been doing. They seem to be defining settling as you should measure as close to the snow ending as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 17 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: Mostly. I would say every 6ish hours. We don't make people get up in the middle of the night if they are a volunteer observer, so sometimes that 06z measurement is skipped. They seem to be defining settling as you should measure as close to the snow ending as possible. If that’s what first order stations do, Is there a reason why this is not a homogeneous method across the board? It just seems like we have two methods out there to do the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: If that’s what first order stations do, Is there a reason why this is not a homogeneous method across the board? It just seems like we have two methods out there to do the same thing. Workload? We are having a harder and harder time finding dedicated Coop observers, and I think measuring every 6 hours can be daunting for some. Plus measuring just once a day isn't wildly different in most cases. I know, blasphemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: Workload? We are having a harder and harder time finding dedicated Coop observers, and I think measuring every 6 hours can be daunting for some. Plus measuring just once a day isn't wildly different in most cases. I know, blasphemy. I think people usually only measure when they can anyways. I mean if you work, Obviously you can’t do it every six hours, you just do it when you get home. It just seems like we should have the same practice throughout, and I think people just do it when they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Seems they dont want weenies to steal first order stations glory, unless of course coop observers have option to clear every 6 hours for a valid report (they just are not required) 9 minutes ago, OceanStWx said: Workload? We are having a harder and harder time finding dedicated Coop observers, and I think measuring every 6 hours can be daunting for some. Plus measuring just once a day isn't wildly different in most cases. I know, blasphemy. The larger the storm, the larger the discrepancy. For any storm that goes in record books, settling will steal up to 20% reductions in totals. Unless observers (dedicated) ones have option of matching methods that first order Stations do, (not required) but certainly wouldn't make any sense to discredit a more homogenous method being adhered to should the Coop observer do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 Holy sheet. Just crushing this morning. The lake effect upslope combo has Mansfield in the firehose. Full on white out at times on the drive in with several inches on the road. 3.8" in the base area at 5:30am... that's ~4 in about 2 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 How was the mountain doing relative to average so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 16 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: How was the mountain doing relative to average so far? Pretty good... I'd say average pace. Snowpack has been right on average and last night's snow plus this upcoming storm should boost it back above normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Nice. Good stuff. Looks rather "busy" through the month too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Snowing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, CoastalWx said: Nice. Good stuff. Looks rather "busy" through the month too. Yeah we'll see. 7" at 3,000ft overnight. Another case of watching for "big" storms and then getting crushed from the small stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 7 hours ago, STILL N OF PIKE said: Seems they dont want weenies to steal first order stations glory, unless of course coop observers have option to clear every 6 hours for a valid report (they just are not required) The larger the storm, the larger the discrepancy. For any storm that goes in record books, settling will steal up to 20% reductions in totals. Unless observers (dedicated) ones have option of matching methods that first order Stations do, (not required) but certainly wouldn't make any sense to discredit a more homogenous method being adhered to should the Coop observer do this. To be clear, there’s nothing that says they CAN’T do more than one, only that they are REQUIRED to do at least one measurement a day. And of course some stations are REQUIRED to do 6 hourly measurements. So I wouldn’t say we’ve hanged recommendations so much as recognized that people can’t measure as often as they used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbutts Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Looks like the Friday system is kaput now too. Seems like a really fast turn around from great snowy forecast to rain and dry cold. Par for the course I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I know Eek, by the way where is he? HAWAII? will "fron" upon this but.. Our old friend from the boards, Max posted this from Hou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Quite the wintery chill to start the day. 12.8* at 5:50. Looks like a pool day..... Partly sunny and blustery, colder with highs around 19. West winds 15 to 25 mph. Gusts up to 40 mph, increasing to 50 mph this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 James gets his clipper tomorrow. Might be able to get a small refresher south of the pike. Small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 15.3F - glacier commence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Not sure if you guys saw this or not. If it was already posted my apologies. http://www.fox9.com/news/15-of-snow-falls-in-90-minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 21 minutes ago, Dan said: Not sure if you guys saw this or not. If it was already posted my apologies. http://www.fox9.com/news/15-of-snow-falls-in-90-minutes Just checked out the obs from the AWOS and holy f'in shiat. PAVD 130713Z COR 33003KT 3SM FEW002 OVC070 M01/M01 A3006 = PAVD 130711Z 33004KT 1 1/2SM SCT002 OVC070 M01/M01 RMK WATERSPOUT E0657 AO2 VIS 1/4V5 0651Z WEA = PAVD 130709Z 34003KT 3/4SM VV001 M01/M01 A3007 RMK WATERSPOUT E0657 AO2 VIS 1/4V5 0651Z WEA = PAVD 130705Z 00000KT 1/4SM VV001 M01/M01 A3007 RMK WATERSPOUT E0657 AO2 0651Z WEA = PAVD 130658Z 1/4SM BKN002 OVC070 M01/M01 RMK WATERSPOUT E57 AO2 CIG 001V005 0651Z WEA = PAVD 130656Z 12003KT 1/4SM +FC VV001 M01/M01 A3008 RMK WATERSPOUT B51 AO2 SLP210 0651Z WEA = So a 6 minute waterspout offshore with what I would presume is 1/4SM +SN (no precip ID sensor there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 4 hours ago, dendrite said: Just checked out the obs from the AWOS and holy f'in shiat. PAVD 130713Z COR 33003KT 3SM FEW002 OVC070 M01/M01 A3006 = PAVD 130711Z 33004KT 1 1/2SM SCT002 OVC070 M01/M01 RMK WATERSPOUT E0657 AO2 VIS 1/4V5 0651Z WEA = PAVD 130709Z 34003KT 3/4SM VV001 M01/M01 A3007 RMK WATERSPOUT E0657 AO2 VIS 1/4V5 0651Z WEA = PAVD 130705Z 00000KT 1/4SM VV001 M01/M01 A3007 RMK WATERSPOUT E0657 AO2 0651Z WEA = PAVD 130658Z 1/4SM BKN002 OVC070 M01/M01 RMK WATERSPOUT E57 AO2 CIG 001V005 0651Z WEA = PAVD 130656Z 12003KT 1/4SM +FC VV001 M01/M01 A3008 RMK WATERSPOUT B51 AO2 SLP210 0651Z WEA = So a 6 minute waterspout offshore with what I would presume is 1/4SM +SN (no precip ID sensor there). It looks like it may have been fog based on what the TAF had. Anyways..pretty epic..lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimetree Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Brisk, 24F. Never got that warm yesterday despite being close to coast so pack is mostly intact. Would be great to retain some of it in time for Christmas weekend refresh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 53 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: It looks like it may have been fog based on what the TAF had. Anyways..pretty epic..lol. Ahhh yup. This should've given it away to me too. VIS 1/4V5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Cheap midnight high of 28.5F here...has been pretty much 19F-21F all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxeyeNH Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 On Dec 7th I recorded a high of 36.9F. Next day 33.3F. Then highs each day of 32F to 33F. Past 3 days below freezing. Too bad my temps have not been a degree colder or I would have quite a run at below freezing temps already, and now we are in the deep freeze. Noticed that the bays of Newfound Lake are just starting to skim over with ice. Lake and pond ice up here should thicken and expand the next few days especially if we can get a period of calm weather for ice to "catch". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Today's my Dad's 83rd birthday with hopefully many more to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 46 minutes ago, wxeyeNH said: On Dec 7th I recorded a high of 36.9F. Next day 33.3F. Then highs each day of 32F to 33F. Past 3 days below freezing. Too bad my temps have not been a degree colder or I would have quite a run at below freezing temps already, and now we are in the deep freeze. Noticed that the bays of Newfound Lake are just starting to skim over with ice. Lake and pond ice up here should thicken and expand the next few days especially if we can get a period of calm weather for ice to "catch". Today will make 6 straight with highs 32 or lower. Tonight should be the month's first journey into single digits, and tomorrow night a run at zero. Dec was 1.1F AN thru yesterday, should be BN after tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 13 minutes ago, Sugarloaf1989 said: Today's my Dad's 83rd birthday with hopefully many more to come. Awesome! My parents are 84 & 83 and just got back from three weeks in Southern Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I was all over the valley today for work and it was surreal driving back into Greenfield. The decent snow line starts in Deerfield, one town south of here, and then almost doubles as you get into Greenfield Center. There are still tree branches hanging and caked with frozen heavy snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxeyeNH Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, tamarack said: Today will make 6 straight with highs 32 or lower. Tonight should be the month's first journey into single digits, and tomorrow night a run at zero. Dec was 1.1F AN thru yesterday, should be BN after tomorrow. Nice. Looks like anothe 6 days below freezing. Should really help the lakes freeze over up here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarloaf1989 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 36 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said: Awesome! My parents are 84 & 83 and just got back from three weeks in Southern Europe. My Dad's European as well, Polish actually and a WWII refugee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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