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2017-18 LES Season


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2 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Yeah, that was a pretty significant shift from the 12z run.

Not a very high confidence setup (maybe even lower than usual for LES).

Also 21z RAP is definitely closer to WI shore thus far in the run compared to 18z, we shall see what the rest of the run shows

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Erie, PA - From GoErie.com at 1:59pm today (12/30) 
Another snowstorm pounded northern Erie County late Friday night and Saturday, dumping more than 16 inches of new snow at Erie International Airport as of 1 p.m. Saturday. A total of 82.3 inches has fallen since Christmas Eve and 119.3 inches since Dec. 1, according to the National Weather Service. Historic for Erie, doubt that total ever gets beaten. 

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5 minutes ago, homedis said:

21z RAP showing the LES band sitting right by the IL shore for over 5 hours

Tease

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On another note, if any snow does make it that far west, it's likely going to be extremely cold while snowing as the flow should still be blowing offshore unless the mesolow comes a lot farther west than expected.

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1 minute ago, Hoosier said:

Tease

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On another note, if any snow does make it that far west, it's likely going to be extremely cold while snowing as the flow should still be blowing offshore unless the mesolow comes a lot farther west than expected.

Don't worry, I'm preparing to be disappointed tomorrow as usual :')

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Yeah, that was a pretty significant shift from the 12z run.
Not a very high confidence setup (maybe even lower than usual for LES).
Add 18z HRRR-x to the list. A very close pass to central Lake County, brushes eastern portion and then 5-6 hours over Porter County.

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34 minutes ago, RCNYILWX said:

Add 18z HRRR-x to the list. A very close pass to central Lake County, brushes eastern portion and then 5-6 hours over Porter County.

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22z HRRR is still coming in but it is substantially farther west so far.  

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14 minutes ago, homedis said:

Agreed. Same here haha

HRRR forecast sounding from within the band.  Impressive omega (pink lines on left) centered around 1 km with some of this better lift in the DGZ.  The mesolow of course adds uncertainty but if the brunt of the band comes onshore, look out.

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45 minutes ago, homedis said:

00z HRRR is even better for NE IL :)

 

I'd like to see it bring more of the heart of the band on shore.  So far these runs are basically peripheral effects.

If nothing else, I think it's looking increasingly possible/likely that the core does come onshore somewhere in the LOT cwa, with Porter county most favored.

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1 hour ago, Hoosier said:

I'd like to see it bring more of the heart of the band on shore.  So far these runs are basically peripheral effects.

If nothing else, I think it's looking increasingly possible/likely that the core does come onshore somewhere in the LOT cwa, with Porter county most favored.

02z HRRR get's the main band right to Racine, WI. Will the west trend ever end?? lol!

Brings about 1" to my area with 2"+ extremely close off shore.

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Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Chicago/Romeoville, IL
855 PM CST Sat Dec 30 2017

.UPDATE...
855 PM CST

Main concern is lake effect snow/mesolow trends on Sunday. Had
earlier issued a Wind Chill Advisory for portions of the CWA as
multiple sites fell below criteria due to a quick temperature drop
early this evening. Clouds from the next approaching clipper type
wave have overspread the area and resulted in rising temperatures
in some locations. Not planning any changes to the Wind Chill
Advisory at this time. Regarding the clipper type wave, light snow
or flurries remains possible with it overnight into tomorrow
morning, with a low but better chance for anything more than a
dusting (up to a few tenths or so) appearing to be mainly south
of I-80.

Turning to the primary concern, lake effect snow associated with
the prominent mesolow evident on regional radar mosaic along and
off the northern lower MI shore. Have been closely monitoring
radar and guidance trends with the mesolow. Overall trend,
including on latest HRRR runs and on 00z 12km and 3km NAM has
been a westward shift of the mesolow into Sunday morning and an
increasing chance for a period of snow clipping northeast
Illinois.

The position of the mesolow is also important with respect to
snow potential and associated impacts into northwest Indiana into
the afternoon hours. Have become more concerned for at least a few
hours of snow and some accumulation, particularly in
northern/northeastern Porter County, though north central/northeast
Lake County IN could get clipped as well. Thermodynamics will
needless to say be excellent, so more than an hour or two of snow
band residence time will increase potential for more significant
accums and impacts and midnight shift possibly needing to issue a
headline.

This forecast remains lower confidence and fraught with
uncertainty. However, for now, given what can be gleaned from
trends, will be bumping up PoPs and QPF/accums and issuing a SPS
and graphic for the web and social media to ramp up the message of
possible travel impacts on Sunday.

Castro
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8 minutes ago, Baum said:

LOT should not be handling Lake and Porter Indiana counties as part of thier forecast zones. 

I agree that lake effect snows give Lake and Porter Counties a very different winter character from the rest of Chicagoland, but that is only a small part of the year.  Otherwise, they fit much better with Chicago than they would with any other wx office since those two counties are part of the Chicago metro area.  

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The band over the northern/central part of the lake looks about 10-15 miles west of where the 4z HRRR had it at this point. The 00z 3 km NAM appears to have a better handle on the location of that band.  However, the 3 km NAM is too far east with the activity over southeast Lake Michigan.  The 3 km had it onshore in southwest lower MI, but it is currently offshore.

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The band over the northern/central part of the lake looks about 10-15 miles west of where the 4z HRRR had it at this point. The 00z 3 km NAM appears to have a better handle on the location of that band.  However, the 3 km NAM is too far east with the activity over southeast Lake Michigan.  The 3 km had it onshore in southwest lower MI, but it is currently offshore.

Yeah. The band doesn’t seem to be moving south much anymore now that it lost its “J” shape and straightened out
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