Stebo Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Oh look another Nor'easter on the Euro at day 8-10... useless pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 As far as the increased east coast storms in more recent years, I have a thought that may or may not explain it. SSTs have generally run above average off the coast so all else being equal, that would tip the balance in favor of getting stronger/more frequent storms that track close enough to hammer them. Even if there's some truth to it, that's probably not the only reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 16 hours ago, Stebo said: I have a complaint, can we get rid of this useless -NAO. **** keeping the last gasp of winter any longer than it needs to be. Gotta laugh at this. -NAO was basically nowhere to be found during winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 52 minutes ago, Hoosier said: Gotta laugh at this. -NAO was basically nowhere to be found during winter Its garbage and very annoying, I didn't want to end winter with a ton of cold and wind with nothing to show for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 You know the NE and New England folks start complaining as early as November if they don't get some snow as if they haven't gotten enough in the last 10+ years. Even in the infamous 11-12 winter they had that October storm, lol. And a -NAO is no good for us. A -NAO means suppression and dry weather like what literally this entire first half of March has been like for our sub-forum. Just a horrible month. I'll pass on it. The one time we had some SE ridge confluence, it turned out to be record-breaking and we couldn't even get a nice storm out of it. I mean what does it take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Hoosier said: As far as the increased east coast storms in more recent years, I have a thought that may or may not explain it. SSTs have generally run above average off the coast so all else being equal, that would tip the balance in favor of getting stronger/more frequent storms that track close enough to hammer them. Even if there's some truth to it, that's probably not the only reason. I think big snowstorms in general are increasing. I mean you can't compare apples to oranges as the Great Lakes and the east coast are 2 completely different climates. I can certainly vouch that 6"+ and 10"+ snowstorms are increasing at Detroit. And I would love to put some regionwide figures to it. The 2000s edged out the 1880s/1970s for the most 6"+ snowstorms on record for Detroit, and now the 2010s have already passed the 2000s, with a winter and a half yet to go. Whenever I have time I may do a little research and pick several cities in our region to see if the number of 2-day snowfalls of 6" plus have increased, decreased, or stayed relatively the same. As much as we've discussed who's hot and who's not in recent years, as well as whos snowfall seems to be increasing and whos seems to be decreasing, we never really have went in to the amount of storms (other than us each talking about our favorite ones). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Snowstorms said: You know the NE and New England folks start complaining as early as November if they don't get some snow as if they haven't gotten enough in the last 10+ years. Even in the infamous 11-12 winter they had that October storm, lol. And a -NAO is no good for us. A -NAO means suppression and dry weather like what literally this entire first half of March has been like for our sub-forum. Just a horrible month. I'll pass on it. The one time we had some SE ridge confluence, it turned out to be record-breaking and we couldn't even get a nice storm out of it. I mean what does it take? They've had 3 24"+ snowstorms so far this winter, really impressive. Somehow they get the perfect tracks every few weeks. We've seen an increase in decent synoptic in WNY as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Stebo said: Its garbage and very annoying, I didn't want to end winter with a ton of cold and wind with nothing to show for it. Yeah, March and April are the worst months. Too cold to go outside and too warm for appreciable snow. That's why I go to Miami in early April to break it up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBo Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Chilly springs and warm falls. Seems to be a common theme over the years. We had to pay for the record warmth this past September. Debt has come due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zinski1990 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Man i can't wait for our first significant long duration warm up of temps in 70s here in indy. Going to be nice after this awful stretch of March -nao ugly weather days where it's just nuisance snow showers with Sun the next minute. Can' buy a pattern like this is prime winter months but of course when we do it's suppression city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said: Yeah, March and April are the worst months. Too warm to go outside and too cold for appreciable snow. That's why I go to Miami in early April to break it up a bit. I think you got your "warm" and "cold" mixed up in your sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugasnow Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 This is a very useless pattern. The next 30-45 days is by the far the worst weather timeframe in the Lower Great Lakes. Grey, damp, chilly. The southern half of the subforum starts discussing 60s/70s while the lower lakes is back doored by cold fronts with 30s/40s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Eric Horst, an excellent meteorologist from Pennsylvania who does not exaggerate things, said in his discussion yesterday that this pattern will most likely stick around until at least....APRIL 10TH!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Well, let's hope April is an improvement. This March is a trash heap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 hours ago, blackrock said: I think you got your "warm" and "cold" mixed up in your sentence. Thanks fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, cyclone77 said: Well, let's hope April is an improvement. This March is a trash heap. Averages going up, so there's bound to be some nice days even if the pattern overall isn't great. Of course areas away from lake influences should tend to have more of those nice days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I did a brief analysis of some of the 40's winter (so far) vs. the last 10 years (not including this season) of ~6.0"+ events in Toronto. 39-40: 6.5" - 1 Total, 40-41: 6.5", 15.7", 6.8" - 3 Total, 41-42: 7.3" - 1 Total, 42-43: 2 x 7.0", 11.8", 6.5" - 4 Total, 43-44: 8.4" - 1 Total, 44-45: 22.5" - 1 Total, 45-46: 0, 46-47: 7.3", 8.3", 5.9" - 3 Total, 47-48: 7.0", 6.0" - 2 Total, 48-49: 6.5", 7.3", 12.2" - 3 Total, 49-50: 5.8", 7.0", 9.5", 14.1", 6.4" - 5 Total Total: 24, 5 footers 06-07: 0, 07-08: 7.9", 6.5", 12.1", 3 x 6.0" - 6 Total, 08-09: 6.3", 6.0" - 2 Total, 09-10: 0, 10-11: 6.0", 5.7", 5.6" - 3 Total, 11-12: 0, 12-13: 6.0", 8.1", 12.0" - 3 Total, 13-14: 2x 6.0", 9.0" - 3 Total, 14-15: 6.0", 6.8" - 2 Total, 15-16: 5.5" - 1 Total, 16-17: 6.1" 6.5" - 2 Total Total: 22, 2 footers However, winters like 06-07, 09-10, 11-12 and 15-16 are among the least snowiest winters on record on YYZ. Funny enough neither of them expect 15-16 had a decent storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I'd much rather get stuck with cold in March than April.... especially mid to late April, when I want to have some new plant starts going outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 hours ago, hawkeye_wx said: I'd much rather get stuck with cold in March than April.... especially mid to late April, when I want to have some new plant starts going outside. Good point, but this weather is still boring as hell lol. Think the sleet and mix-bag storm from the 5th will be the highlight of the month for this area. Sure would be nice to get a storm system with some balls around here. Everything seems so wussy anymore. The last truly exciting weather event was severe thunderstorm/very heavy rain event back late July last summer. Heaviest snow of the winter was a measly 4.3" Feb 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheeselandSkies Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Sure would be nice to get a storm system with some balls around here. Everything seems so wussy anymore#MWGA (Make Weather Great Again)Seriously though, what is up with the atmosphere? Almost every storm in this region the last several years that looks like it might be high-end/high-impact whether for winter or severe has had its ceiling tempered in some way by verification time. The only overachiever I can think of is 2/28/17.Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 So done with this winter. I'm all in for Spring and this stupid block keeps suppressing not only the storms but the warmth too. I hope we never see a -NAO ever again because they've been nothing but terrible for our region in recent years. Tired of seeing the east coast keep getting storm after storm. More than half way through the month and we have yet to see a single storm. **** this winter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Mid-march and the systems are still getting suppressed to the south. Then, on the long range, any inkling of a system coming far enough north ends up with the system cutting way north and west and we get rain...per the usual anymore...man, what a boring string of winters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBo Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, blackrock said: Mid-march and the systems are still getting suppressed to the south. Then, on the long range, any inkling of a system coming far enough north ends up with the system cutting way north and west and we get rain...per the usual anymore...man, what a boring string of winters. Speak for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, GreenBo said: Speak for yourself. Oh, yeah...I forgot to put the usual "unless you're in Southeast Michigan".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 35 minutes ago, Snowstorms said: So done with this winter. I'm all in for Spring and this stupid block keeps suppressing not only the storms but the warmth too. I hope we never see a -NAO ever again because they've been nothing but terrible for our region in recent years. Tired of seeing the east coast keep getting storm after storm. More than half way through the month and we have yet to see a single storm. **** this winter! 0.9" to go to get to your coveted 40" season. Hang on at least for that. C'mon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, snowstormcanuck said: 0.9" to go to get to your coveted 40" season. Hang on at least for that. C'mon! Not happening. Besides 40" is my benchmark, but 45" is the norm. With our luck, the next two storms are going to be suppressed then all of sudden spring comes and we get storms and they're all rain. Rinse and repeat over and over like it has been for the last few years. So bs! I hope the east coast goes on a snow drought now, they've had a century's worth of snow in the last 10 years. And yet, they still complain season after season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 40 minutes ago, Snowstorms said: Not happening. Besides 40" is my benchmark, but 45" is the norm. With our luck, the next two storms are going to be suppressed then all of sudden spring comes and we get storms and they're all rain. Rinse and repeat over and over like it has been for the last few years. So bs! I hope the east coast goes on a snow drought now, they've had a century's worth of snow in the last 10 years. And yet, they still complain season after season. Asking for the east coast to not get big storms is like asking for lake effect to not happen in the Lakes. It's not happening. The great lakes will always get more frequent winter weather and the east coast more big storms. It's not changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Snowstorms said: Not happening. Besides 40" is my benchmark, but 45" is the norm. With our luck, the next two storms are going to be suppressed then all of sudden spring comes and we get storms and they're all rain. Rinse and repeat over and over like it has been for the last few years. So bs! I hope the east coast goes on a snow drought now, they've had a century's worth of snow in the last 10 years. And yet, they still complain season after season. Lol. 0.9" is not happening? It's possible but unlikely with a month of accumulating snow possibilities. It's okay to be frustrated. I get it. But your posts seem sometimes....manic? Maybe not that...I don't know how to describe it. Let's just say...frustration is fine but try not to become unhinged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 4 hours ago, snowstormcanuck said: Lol. 0.9" is not happening? It's possible but unlikely with a month of accumulating snow possibilities. It's okay to be frustrated. I get it. But your posts seem sometimes....manic? Maybe not that...I don't know how to describe it. Let's just say...frustration is fine but try not to become unhinged. Definitely agree with this. While it certainly has been a frustrating March - perhaps the most frustrating weather period since January-February 2010 - there is absolutely nothing we can do about the weather. I sometimes think Snowstorms would only be happy if every winter were like 2007-2008 and the first half of 2008-2009. Then again, we could get 18" and he'd complain that Buffalo got 24". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Perry Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 We have the sunshine, longer days, but locked in between the northern stream and southern streams bringing us 30’s and lower 40’s for highs... yuck. Bring on SPRING. The real spring, you know... with bouts of 60’s and rain - not this winter stuff... or lack thereof haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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