Dunkman Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 25 minutes ago, Bostonseminole said: I wonder how many posts were deleted from this thread leading up to LF Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Not enough? This thread was mostly unreadable at times even with the heavy moderation and deleting of posts. I think the criticism from Harvey (and others I'm sure) is simply that they think this thread was/should be a catch all for everything. It has never been that way on this site. This thread is for reasoned discussion of the forecast. There are other threads for other things. I hope those new posters stay, learn from more experienced people, both about the weather and about how to use evidence to substantiate their claims. This site has been very beneficial for me in many ways and I'm sure it can be for them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearpass Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Seldom post, but I have to rant. Mods, delete if needed./ I'm by no means well versed in weather, hurricanes, forecasting...you name it. But I strive to learn. I am totally disappointed with the evaluations happening here now. Incompetence, overhype...you name it. We do not as yet have anywhere near the information we need as to the actual longer term effects of Irma, especially given the flooding in Georgia and South Carolina, not to mention millions (that boggels my mind) out of power. How hard is it to wait for a week or two before passing judgement. I happen to be extremely impressed by how well warnings and model info were conveyed; as a novice and learner, I could grasp it. I believe many more would have died had all of this not happened. End rant/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPAwx Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 6 hours ago, Amped said: Over hype is going to happen with any storm that is a cat5 5 days from landfall. Nothing can be done about it. People are going to get a false impression in there head and from the media about how bad the storm is going to be in their back yard and then blame NHC when that false impression is wrong. On 9/10/2017 at 2:09 PM, Amped said: Some of the bays in west Florida will see a tsunami today. The ocean is like a pendulum, if you pull it back and suddenly release it, it will overshoot it's equilibrium. On 9/10/2017 at 1:56 AM, Amped said: Last remnants of the inner eye clearing out the last few radar frames. I thinks that's why it's starting to bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPAwx Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 8 hours ago, MikeB_01 said: This graph is very helpful for verification. Can you send the link to where you got it? Thanks http://www.atmos.albany.edu/facstaff/tang/tcguidance/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterymix Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Regarding the NHC, they did their job; providing knowledge to help save lives. If the NHC was one category over/under and 25 miles off with the track...fine/fine/fine. This is a team of PhDs and other top shelf experts that weigh the best evidence they can gather. Having made a conscious choice, 10,000 people stayed behind in the lower keys? Assuming they are still alive, these folks are off the grid with no power and no open business to replenish. The forecasts are close to "good enough". We've got to fine tune evacuation instructions so people realize exactly "what could happen". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstorm Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 7 hours ago, HarveyLeonardFan said: Despite the bad forecasts and the over reliance on the Euro the tv nets had great wall to wall coverage and great pictures. Years ago in the early days of cable tv did not go wall to wall days on end. The game has changed. It used to be CNN deploying John zarella and that was about it. He'd throw it over to flip spiceland and that'd be about it. Then it would be on to other news. Now, all 4 networks go balls to the walls with great sound and great images because the numbers go way up during hurricane coverage. CNN is number 3 behind Fox and msnbc but during hurricane coverage they win because they draw in non political viewers who rarely watch the news. Whoa, tell us how you really feel... We get it. The storm had a few surprises on its approach to Florida... and each one was fortuitous for the state. Heaven forbid the NHC alert folks about the possible scenarios! We've seen the worst case play out many times. I will never understand the outrage over an evacuation that proves unnecessary. Take a breather, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Despite some posts in here laughing at the idea, the NE Coast was getting swells from Irmas Caribbean Cat 5, highly unusual but it was a great weekend of surf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwc Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Amazing sat pictures taken yesterday. Flight 1 is Key West (little damage at all), Flight 2 is W Coast of FL https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/irma/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mello Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 7 hours ago, Dunkman said: Not enough? This thread was mostly unreadable at times even with the heavy moderation and deleting of posts. I think the criticism from Harvey (and others I'm sure) is simply that they think this thread was/should be a catch all for everything. It has never been that way on this site. This thread is for reasoned discussion of the forecast. There are other threads for other things. I hope those new posters stay, learn from more experienced people, both about the weather and about how to use evidence to substantiate their claims. This site has been very beneficial for me in many ways and I'm sure it can be for them too. And I completely disagree with this. But then I've been against the entire separation of regions and segregation of topics that's been ongoing all the way back to Eastern. When I want to read about a hurricane I want to see info about all aspects. It's simply not natural for someone to have something to say and then compartmentalize that thought into one of multiple sub categories to post to the appropriate thread. And it doesn't lead to a natural flow of discussion. 99% of what I saw that belonged in another thread and was removed never made it into another thread. So it just ends up censoring a large portion of the conversation. I hate to say it, but I got more information from Reddit than here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Agnes Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 30 minutes ago, cwc said: Amazing sat pictures taken yesterday. Flight 1 is Key West (little damage at all), Flight 2 is W Coast of FL https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/irma/index.html I think the worst part of the eye hit Marathon and Big Pine hard (i.e., to the east of Key West). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thess Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 I guess all I'll say on the moderation post-mortem is that in one of the few posts I made during actual landfall (Naples specifically) I asked if people would post links to the cams/livestreams/etc they were commenting on. (There were a lot of posts like, 'storm chaser123's feed is nuts right now' but no links.) My post was insta-deleted, but the feed commentary with no links remained. If link info had been provided, I would have tried to collate the info in the media coverage thread. (I think breaking out a few things like that into separate threads is good, but I also understand it's kinda pointless if people refuse to read anything but the main thread.) I do understand that as a non-met/noob/someone who doesn't have wx in my screenname, my opinion is not terribly relevant, and that's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Good night sweet Prince. I'm glad that most of Florida avoided the worst of Irma, however from a meteorological weenie standpoint, it was a bit of an anti-climactic ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPAwx Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, NJwx85 said: Good night sweet Prince. I'm glad that most of Florida avoided the worst of Irma, however from a meteorological weenie standpoint, it was a bit of an anti-climactic ending. How so? Would it have been more of an interesting ending if Irma went bombs away and wreaked more havoc and destruction in FLA and the SE? Most won't admit to it, but there are posters that feel exactly that. As they were eating their snacks and drinking cheap beer in far away places in the safety of their homes. Ideally this place should be able to balance unbridled weather "enthusiasm" with empathy and self-moderation, basing thoughts/opinions on data and obs versus some predetermined "maximum outcome" agenda. My lurking here goes way back to the Eastern days, after becoming a refugee from the Accuweather forums because, well because I think people understand why. Outside of various twitter follows this is the best place for info and expert opinions from a wide group of mets and advanced hobbyists for events like Irma. IMO the mods did a fine job of controlling the conversation, it really comes down to individual members governing their own behavior and realizing that no, just because you love weather it doesn't mean you should post stream of consciousness takes on how awesomely destructive and intense a hurricane will end up. Especially against all available evidence and guidance from the NHC. You could really see that after the Saturday 11pm advisory, with all the "bombs away!", "it's going to RI!", "the radar is wrong, it's not seeing the explosive trend" takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 58 minutes ago, thess said: I guess all I'll say on the moderation post-mortem is that in one of the few posts I made during actual landfall (Naples specifically) I asked if people would post links to the cams/livestreams/etc they were commenting on. (There were a lot of posts like, 'storm chaser123's feed is nuts right now' but no links.) My post was insta-deleted, but the feed commentary with no links remained. If link info had been provided, I would have tried to collate the info in the media coverage thread. (I think breaking out a few things like that into separate threads is good, but I also understand it's kinda pointless if people refuse to read anything but the main thread.) I do understand that as a non-met/noob/someone who doesn't have wx in my screenname, my opinion is not terribly relevant, and that's fine. This is the correct way to discuss what people might want done differently in the future (sorry if thats condescending ). Its a work in progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarveyLeonardFan Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, TPAwx said: How so? Would it have been more of an interesting ending if Irma went bombs away and wreaked more havoc and destruction in FLA and the SE? Most won't admit to it, but there are posters that feel exactly that. As they were eating their snacks and drinking cheap beer in far away places in the safety of their homes. Ideally this place should be able to balance unbridled weather "enthusiasm" with empathy and self-moderation, basing thoughts/opinions on data and obs versus some predetermined "maximum outcome" agenda. My lurking here goes way back to the Eastern days, after becoming a refugee from the Accuweather forums because, well because I think people understand why. Outside of various twitter follows this is the best place for info and expert opinions from a wide group of mets and advanced hobbyists for events like Irma. IMO the mods did a fine job of controlling the conversation, it really comes down to individual members governing their own behavior and realizing that no, just because you love weather it doesn't mean you should post stream of consciousness takes on how awesomely destructive and intense a hurricane will end up. Especially against all available evidence and guidance from the NHC. You could really see that after the Saturday 11pm advisory, with all the "bombs away!", "it's going to RI!", "the radar is wrong, it's not seeing the explosive trend" takes. Please stop with the self righteousness and stop condemning people on an anonymous weather board when millions of people watching on television shared similar sentiments. A hundred thousand people a day usually watch the weather channel. During potentially catastrophic weather events these numbers spike to over 3 million and CNN's numbers were going through the roof and they weren't tuning in for paddy cake wind gusts to 50 in your back yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJwx85 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 42 minutes ago, TPAwx said: How so? Would it have been more of an interesting ending if Irma went bombs away and wreaked more havoc and destruction in FLA and the SE? Most won't admit to it, but there are posters that feel exactly that. As they were eating their snacks and drinking cheap beer in far away places in the safety of their homes. Ideally this place should be able to balance unbridled weather "enthusiasm" with empathy and self-moderation, basing thoughts/opinions on data and obs versus some predetermined "maximum outcome" agenda. My lurking here goes way back to the Eastern days, after becoming a refugee from the Accuweather forums because, well because I think people understand why. Outside of various twitter follows this is the best place for info and expert opinions from a wide group of mets and advanced hobbyists for events like Irma. IMO the mods did a fine job of controlling the conversation, it really comes down to individual members governing their own behavior and realizing that no, just because you love weather it doesn't mean you should post stream of consciousness takes on how awesomely destructive and intense a hurricane will end up. Especially against all available evidence and guidance from the NHC. You could really see that after the Saturday 11pm advisory, with all the "bombs away!", "it's going to RI!", "the radar is wrong, it's not seeing the explosive trend" takes. Take the morality conversation somewhere else. While I don't wish any one particular location harm, it would have been more interesting if Irma could have become one of only four hurricanes to landfall in the US as a Cat 5. Secondly, a lot of us here have the knowledge to know how systems are "behaving". If you came on here looking for a regurgitation of whatever the official forecast is, you came to the wrong place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Agnes Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Final Irma advisory (11 am) - 000 WTNT31 KWNH 121506 TCPAT1 POST-TROPICAL CYCLONE IRMA ADVISORY NUMBER 54 NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD AL112017 1100 AM EDT TUE SEP 12 2017 ...POST-TROPICAL CYCLONE IRMA IS BRINGING MODERATE TO LOCALLY HEAVY RAIN TO PARTS OF THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY...TENNESSEE VALLEY...AND THE SOUTHERN MID-ATLANTIC... SUMMARY OF 1100 AM EDT...1500 UTC...INFORMATION ----------------------------------------------- LOCATION...34.2N 87W ABOUT 50 MILES...85 KM...NNW OF BIRMINGHAM ALABAMA ABOUT 100 MILES...165 KM...E OF TUPELO MISSISSIPPI MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...10 MPH...15 KM/H PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNW OR 335 DEGREES AT 26 MPH...42 KM/H MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1003 MB...29.62 INCHES WATCHES AND WARNINGS -------------------- FLOOD AND COASTAL FLOOD WARNINGS ARE STILL ONGOING ACROSS PORTIONS OF FLORIDA FOR INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING POSSIBLE WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE OFFICE AT WWW.WEATHER.GOV. DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK ------------------------------ AT 1100 AM EDT...1500 UTC...THE CENTER OF POST-TROPICAL CYCLONE IRMA WAS LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 34.2 NORTH...AND LONGITUDE 87 WEST. IRMA CONTINUES TO LOSE TROPICAL CHARACTERISTICS AS IT MOVES NORTHWESTWARD TOWARDS THE TENNESSEE VALLEY. IRMA WILL CONTINUE TO WEAKEN THROUGHOUT THE DAY ON TUESDAY. MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 1003 MB...29.62 INCHES. HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND ------- RAINFALL...REMNANT BANDS FROM POST-TROPICAL CYCLONE IRMA ARE EXPECTED TO PRODUCE ADDITIONAL RAIN ACCUMULATIONS OF 1 TO 2 INCHES...WITH LOCALIZED HIGHER AMOUNTS...THROUGH TUESDAY ACROSS PORTIONS OF NORTH CAROLINA. LOCALIZED INTENSE RAINFALL RATES WILL LEAD TO ADDITIONAL ISOLATED FLASH FLOODING AND RAPID RISES ON CREEKS, STREAMS, AND RIVERS. CLOSER TO IRMA'S REMNANT CIRCULATION CENTER...AN ADDITIONAL 1 TO 2 INCHES OF RAINFALL IS EXPECTED ACROSS NORTHERN MISSISSIPPI, EASTERN ARKANSAS, AS WELL AS WESTERN TENNESSEE AND KENTUCKY. SIGNIFICANT RIVER FLOODING WILL PERSIST OVER MUCH OF THE FLORIDA PENINSULA IN THE WAKE OF IRMA, WHILE ADDITIONAL RIVER FLOODING WILL BE POSSIBLE ACROSS GEORGIA AND EASTERN ALABAMA. ...SELECTED PRELIMINARY STORM TOTAL RAINFALL IN INCHES THROUGH 11 AM EDT ...ALABAMA... ALBERTVILLE 4.8 WNW 3.60 GUNTERSVILLE 2.2 SW 3.57 EUFAULA MUNI ARPT 3.25 DOUGLAS 6.8 NW 3.22 TALLADEGA 1.6 SSE 3.20 SALEM 3.9 ENE 3.14 DOTHAN RGNL ARPT 2.76 MONTGOMERY 2.15 ...FLORIDA... FT. PIERCE ST. LUCIE CNTY INTL ARP 15.91 OVIEDO 14.76 CHEKIKA 13.83 INLIKITA 7 WNW 13.63 GAINESVILLE 2.4 NW 12.22 MIMS 8.5 W 12.11 NAPLES 11.87 NATIONAL KEY DEER NWR 11.74 OVIEDO 1.6 SE 11.54 CACHE 11.49 STARKE 11.33 WEST MELBOURNE 11.21 JACKSONVILLE 9.6 SE 11.17 FLEMING ISLAND 2.2 S 11.11 SWITZERLAND 4 WSW 11.11 PANTHER WEST 11.08 ORTEGA 1 WNW 11.00 UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA 3 NW 10.42 FORT MYERS INTL ARPT 10.33 SUMMERFIELD 3 SSE 10.04 OASIS RANGER STATION 9.67 OKEECHOBEE COUNTY ARPT 9.65 FORT LAUDERDALE EXEC ARPT 9.57 ORLANDO/SANFORD ARPT 9.42 OCHOPEE 9.27 OLUSTEE 3 N 9.17 ALACHUA 5 SE 8.61 MILES CITY 8.26 BELLAIR 3 W 8.11 OPA-LOCKA AIRPORT 7.99 ORLANDO EXECUTIVE ARPT 7.68 FORT WHITE 4 SE 7.57 INTERLACHEN 4 NW 6.22 TALLYRAND 2 NNW 6.15 DAYTONA BEACH INTL ARPT 5.86 HOLLYWOOD 3.9 SW 4.68 PALM CITY 3.1 NW 4.58 FLEMING ISLAND 1.7 SE 4.56 MIAMI BEACH 3.95 VERO BEACH 2.5 S 3.25 ...GEORGIA... ST MARYS RIVER NEAR KINGSLAND 5SSE 10.12 NAHUNTA 6 S 9.57 CUMBERLAND SOUND NEAR ST MARYS 5ENE 9.18 HOMELAND 7.99 THALMANN 5 ESE 7.89 BOYS ESTATE 3 S 7.84 FOLKSTON 10 SW 7.80 JESUP 10.0 NNW 6.96 SAVANNAH/HUNTER AAF 6.88 KINGSLAND 3 WSW 6.85 ATKINSON 1 WSW 6.66 RICHMOND HILL 7.0 ESE 6.63 BRUNSWICK, MALCOLM MCKINNON ARPT 6.32 SAPELO ISLAND 1 NW 5.97 RINCON 5.3 NNE 5.00 WAYNESBORO 3.3 SW 4.87 DOUGLASVILLE 3.7 S 4.83 FAYETTEVILLE 1.4 NNW 4.32 ...MISSISSIPPI... ABBEVILLE 8.2 SE 1.21 BATESVILLE 2.2 SSE 1.17 NEW ALBANY 5.3 SSE 1.15 ...NORTH CAROLINA... FAIRVIEW 3.8 ENE 5.61 SWANNANOA 0.4 NNE 5.39 BURNSVILLE 1.5 WNW 5.28 ST. JAMES 1.9 W 5.26 HENDERSONVILLE 9.6 ENE 4.70 ...SOUTH CAROLINA... CHARLESTON 5.0 WNW 8.65 SUMMERVILLE 1.9 N 7.25 MONCKS CORNER 3.2 NE 7.13 DANIEL ISLAND 1.0 SE 7.11 CANADYS 0.4 NW 7.00 CHARLESTON NWS WFO 6.18 EDISTO ISLAND 2 WNW 6.05 BLACKVILLE 2 W 6.01 BEAUFORT MCAS 5.88 SANTEE 5 NNE 5.74 FOLLY FIELD 1 SW 5.67 CHARLESTON INTL ARPT 5.53 EASTOVER 6 SW 4.97 NEW ELLENTON 4 S 4.81 EDGEFIELD 4.12 SUMTER 4.11 COLUMBIA METRO AIRPORT 3.14 ...SELECTED PEAK WIND GUSTS IN MILES PER HOUR EARLIER IN THE EVENT... ...ALABAMA... TROY MUNICIPAL AIRPORT 45 WEEDON FIELD AIRPORT 43 ANNISTON ARPT ASOS 40 MONTGOMERY REGIONAL AIRPORT 40 ...FLORIDA... NAPLES 2 ENE 142 MARCO ISLAND 1 E 130 LELY 2 ESE 122 BIG PINE KEY 2 NNW 120 QUAIL CREEK ESTATES 2 SSW 112 NORTH PERRY AIRPO 2 WNW 109 KEY BISCAYNE 8 SSE 99 MIAMI INTERNATIONAL 1 W 99 NORTH PERRY AIRPO 3 WSW 98 SWEETWATER 2 NE 96 CAPE CANAVERAL 3 NNE 94 OCEAN REEF 8 SE 93 BELLE MEADE 1 S 92 KEY LARGO 8 SSE 92 OCHOPEE 1 W 92 CACHE AT EVERGLADES 91 KEY WEST 2 W 91 ROYAL PALM RANGER S 4 W 91 CORAL GABLES 1 ESE 90 OCEAN REEF 8 SSE 89 SOUTHWEST FLORIDA INTL ARPT 89 MAYPORT NAVAL STATION 87 PORT EVERGLADES 87 DEERFIELD BEACH 3 W 86 JACKSONVILLE INTL ARPT 86 KEY LARGO 1 SE 85 REDLAND 8 NNW 85 FORT MYERS FAA/AP 84 SUNRISE 1 W 84 FLAGLER BEACH 83 GOULDS 1 NE 83 HOMESTEAD PARK 1 WSW 83 OAKLAND PARK 3 NW 83 PINECREST 2 SSW 82 FIU SOUTH CAMPUS 81 HAULOVER CANAL 3 E 81 POMPANO BEACH AIR 1 ESE 81 RSW SOUTHWEST FLORIDA A 81 IMMOKALEE 2 ESE 80 SOUTH MIAMI 2 W 80 FISHER ISLAND 3 ESE 79 FIU NORTH CAMPUS 1 ESE 79 FORT DESOTO PARK 3 W 79 FLORIDA CITY 1 ESE 78 FORT LAUDERDALE 2 W 78 NORTH PERRY AIRPORT 78 SANIBEL 4 ENE 78 SUNRISE 2 E 78 CLEARWATER 4 WNW 77 PARKLAND 2 W 77 WEST MIAMI 2 SE 77 BARTOW 10 SSW 75 DAVIE 2 NE 75 DELRAY BEACH 3 WSW 75 SAINT AUGUSTINE 1 NW 75 LITTLE HAITI 2 SE 74 BUNNELL 72 COUNTRY WALK 1 N 72 HOLIDAY 4 SW 70 INDIAN LAKE ESTATES 2 S 70 LITTLE HAVANA 1 NNW 68 LAUDERDALE BY THE 2 NW 67 PORT EVERGLADES 1 SSE 66 DOWNTOWN SAINT PETE 4 E 65 SANFORD AIRPORT 65 CORAL SPRINGS 1 W 64 DELAND 63 DANIA BEACH 1 NW 62 ST. AUGUSTINE 6 NNW 62 CROSS CITY AIRPORT 61 HIALEAH GARDENS 1 E 61 POMPANO BEACH 61 ...GEORGIA... FORT PULASKI 70 FORT SCREVEN 70 TYBEE ISLAND 1 NNE 65 HARTSFIELD ATLANTA INTL ARPT 64 MIDDLE GEORGIA REGIONAL ARPT 61 SAVANNAH AIRPORT 60 TALLAPOOSA 4 SSE 59 HABERSHAM COUNTY AP 58 VALDOSTA 2 WNW 58 CLEVELAND 57 LITTLE OCMULGEE STATE PARK 57 DUBLIN 54 PERRY 54 COLUMBUS AIRPORT ASOS 53 VIDALIA 53 ATHENS 3 ESE 52 BANKS CROSSING 51 JASPER 2 SSW 48 TUCKER 2 SE 47 MOODY AFB 44 ...NORTH CAROLINA... HIGHLANDS 2 NNW 56 CASHIERS 1 ESE 51 BOOMER 3 ESE 47 BELMONT 45 CHARLOTTE DOUGLAS INTL ARPT 45 ...SOUTH CAROLINA... PARRIS ISLAND 6 E 76 FOLLY BEACH 72 ISLE OF PALMS 1 ESE 68 SULLIVANS ISLAND 1 E 68 BATTERY POINT 1 NNW 66 BEAUFORT 66 CHARLESTON 2 SSW 66 DANIEL FIELD AIRPORT 58 OCONEE COUNTY REGION 58 AUGUSTA BUSH FIELD 55 LANCASTER COUNTY AIRPORT 55 ...TENNESSEE... GATLINBURG 10 S 60 CHATTANOOGA 4 ESE 45 NEXT ADVISORY ------------- NEXT ADVISORY ISSUED AT 500 PM EDT. PLEASE REFER TO YOUR LOCAL NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE OFFICE FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON THIS STORM. FORECASTER SANTORELLI FORECAST POSITIONS ------------------ INITIAL 12/1500Z 34.2N 87W 12HR VT 13/0000Z 35.4N 89W...REMNANT LOW 24HR VT 13/1200Z 36.2N 89.6W...REMNANT LOW $$ Poor St. Lucie really got under a training band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 hour ago, NJwx85 said: Take the morality conversation somewhere else. While I don't wish any one particular location harm, it would have been more interesting if Irma could have become one of only four hurricanes to landfall in the US as a Cat 5. Secondly, a lot of us here have the knowledge to know how systems are "behaving". If you came on here looking for a regurgitation of whatever the official forecast is, you came to the wrong place. I've already gotten my share of what extreme damage this storm could do on those islands, I didn't need to see anymore destruction. Hurricanes can be entertaining and fun to track but I'll stick with snowstorms and blizzards if I want extreme events. It's not fun seeing people lose their loved ones and everything they own because that could've been you. And so what if it's a morality argument, we're not robots I would hope some compassion still exists in this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesin2011 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 http://www.intellicast.com/Local/WxMap.aspx?basemap=0014&layers=0040,0039,0017 Check how far the precip from the storm reaches now... almost from TX to PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Agnes Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 29 minutes ago, eaglesin2011 said: http://www.intellicast.com/Local/WxMap.aspx?basemap=0014&layers=0040,0039,0017 Check how far the precip from the storm reaches now... almost from TX to PA The upper-most band has been throwing cirrus clouds over the southern half of PA overnight and through this morning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thess Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Lengthy update on the Keys. Mostly not good to 'very bad' (for example, zero functional hospitals), although they don't mention casualties. I believe an aircraft carrier is anchored down there for support, and they just sent the "Iwo Jima" as well (forgive my total military ignorance here ... although I just looked it up and Wikipedia calls it an 'Amphibious assault ship'). https://keysnews.com/article/story/irma-recovery-update/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, thess said: Lengthy update on the Keys. Mostly not good to 'very bad' (for example, zero functional hospitals), although they don't mention casualties. I believe an aircraft carrier is anchored down there for support, and they just sent the "Iwo Jima" as well (forgive my total military ignorance here ... although I just looked it up and Wikipedia calls it an 'Amphibious assault ship'). https://keysnews.com/article/story/irma-recovery-update/ Looks like Cudjoe Key is in really bad shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Still over 6 million w/o power. Was Jacksonville flooding a record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Mayor of Naples says the cost to rebuild in Naples alone will be $100 million. #bulletnotdodged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorsweather Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 19 minutes ago, psv88 said: Mayor of Naples says the cost to rebuild in Naples alone will be $100 million. #bulletnotdodged Sure you don't mean Billion? 100 million is nothing these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 9 hours ago, TPAwx said: See the hype wasn't the NHCs fault, it was mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Agnes Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 16 minutes ago, Taylorsweather said: Sure you don't mean Billion? 100 million is nothing these days. Naples only has a population of ~22,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesin2011 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 looks like some precip may make it to some of the places that where hit hard by Harvey... (just crazy that its made it all they way down there) http://www.intellicast.com/Local/WxMap.aspx?basemap=0014&l Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 #1 Hurricane Ivan - 70.4 #2 Hurricane Irma - 66.2 It's going to be close. Irma is running out of time and may weaken/transition baroclinic just before it can dethrone Ivan. Either way, what a record-breaking beast. Irma finishes with 67.5 ACE. These two positions may hold for decades. It will take another long-tracking Cape Verde category 5 monster to even get close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 irma with the track it took did more damage than if it traveled say ala andrew right to left it affected the entire state.. and did major damage in the keys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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