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That VBV wind profile, though.... MEH. It will be fun to see if someone in SE VA could get to 5000 CAPE Saturday afternoon. Outside chance it happens. If any storms get going with that, woo boy! 

Speaking of April 27, 2011, that wasn't fun to cover as a "newbie" on TV. I was 6 months on the job in Columbus, GA and that event capped a ridiculous spring. Heck, they're experiencing an even more ridiculous month down there with several confirmed tornadoes in my old viewing area, including today. Needless to say, I learned a ton and carry that experience to Charlottesville... Where... Storms "try" to form and blow up near US 15. Then again, we've had 3 hailers so far this year with another one, potentially, Saturday. 

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6 hours ago, WxWatcher007 said:

You know there's potential when @weatherwiz is posting. Always appreciate your severe posts, Wiz. 

I have no real expectations for Saturday. Still have some time to see something pop though. 

:o 

That's exceptional. 

Thank you!

Yeah this definitely isn't a severe weather outbreak setup...probably only a few cells, however, given the projected environment any cells would quickly take off and considering we would only be looking at a few cells enhances the severe potential of those few cells.  

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5 hours ago, yoda said:

Well the sounding is at MTN... what about closer to us at IAD/DCA?  :lol:

Very intriguing post though Wiz

Soundings are actually just as sexy but unfortunately I think that is a bit too far south.  Dry air works in in the lower levels during the early afternoon and heights continue to rise so capping will be a huge issue and I don't see any real forcing mechanism.  Even further north into MD might have issues with forcing but the PA/MD border could be something to watch as they could be just close enough to some forcing.  

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7 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said:

I wouldn't sleep on some activity Sunday or Monday either. At least we have something to track..

To be fair few have been sleeping on Monday. But Sunday is also definitely starting to look like a day with where any storm that forms could go bonkers. Still watching of course. Front placement, forcing, and all that good 'ole stuff.

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Just now, George BM said:

To be fair few have been sleeping on Monday. But Sunday is also definitely starting to look like a day with where any storm that forms could go bonkers. Still watching of course. Front placement and all that good 'ole stuff.

 

      exactly.  Saturday and Sunday qualify as legitimate sleeper days.   Models have been showing a strong frontal passage on Monday for days now - good wind field but a few questions about instability.

      Saturday is obviously intriguing, and I agree that Sunday is worth a look too.    There will be a NW-SE boundary sitting around for a storm to latch on to.

  

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20 minutes ago, yoda said:

00z NAM soundings are going nuts with the SARS severe hail... dozens upon dozens of 2.75-4.50" hail matches

       not surprised.   people have noted the huge cape values which are the result of truly insane mid-level lapse rates.   Parcel accelerations and resultant large hail generation would be a lock if a few storms do erupt.    I don't, however, like seeing ~20 kt at jet level.

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23 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said:

Yup. Not giving me a particularly warm feeling. There will be all kinds of radar hallucinations lol.

Question--I've heard many times that storms that break through the cap can be especially strong. Why is that? Does it have anything to do with the amount of instability that exists? What's the mechanism for breaking the cap usually?

  I don't think it will be a hallucination day;  if the cap can be broken in a few spots, the resultant cells will have massive reflectivity signatures.   (I'm just not sure if supercell structures can be maintained.)     If the cap holds, the radar will be blank.

  Having a modest cap can be good for getting intense storms.   First, it delays initiation, which often means that heating (and resultant instability) is maximized.   Without a cap, storms may initiate early.      Also, sometimes when a cap is in place, it prevents widespread coverage (unless the forcing is crazy).   This gives storms a better chance to stay discrete and not interfere with each other. 

  The cap can be broken many ways:   the simplest way is afternoon sfc heating (or moistening).   But with stronger caps, that isn't enough, and you need something to lift the air which can erode the cap.     A front or outflow boundary might do the trick.    Sometimes it takes a strong shortwave, but the fun ones are when you're close to breaking the cap but think it won't happen, and then a subtle shortwave arrives and is able to get it done.

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21 minutes ago, Eskimo Joe said:

^getting there, although if I'm looking at the UTC time correctly this is early AM convection which would spoil any afternoon heat/activity potential.

It's also the HRRRx at range, though. And that's still pretty early - enough that if it can clear out we could still destabilize nicely. I'm still not in for tomorrow. But I do like when we have low probs from SPC going into an event. 

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36 minutes ago, Eskimo Joe said:

^getting there, although if I'm looking at the UTC time correctly this is early AM convection which would spoil any afternoon heat/activity potential.

Makes sense to me now when I was looking at the 00z NAM souindings that it had a spike in instability and SRH around 09z

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Tonights going to be ugly DP-wise if the 12z NAM is to believed... DP's rise into the 65-70 range after midnight, which suggests to me at least that if the HRRRx is wrong, its going to be a very humid morning.  12z NAM also has a pool of 70+ DP's Saturday evening in the N VA/MD region

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Just now, yoda said:

Tonights going to be ugly DP-wise if the 12z NAM is to believed... DP's rise into the 65-70 range after midnight, which suggests to me at least that if the HRRRx is wrong, its going to be a very humid morning

If HRRRx is wrong with convection, then it's going to feel like deep summer tomorrow AM.

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