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Mid to Long Term Discussion 2017


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2 minutes ago, BIG FROSTY said:

JB tweet.

possible models are right on the east coast, I expect deeper trough through midwest and more storm on coast HR 144
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He's keying on first wave too.  It's not bad.  For us we need bigger ridge in west so it digs more. 

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The first wave is going to get eaten into the PV flow early and keep it from much more than some light precip.  The second is our big shot here.  THe models are showing it in a good state as it reaches the W coast, then loses it as it doesn't know which piece of energy to amp up and so it dies out.  Just going to need some time to let them figure it out.  It won't even be on shore until middle of next week.

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5 minutes ago, Wow said:

The first wave is going to get eaten into the PV flow early and keep it from much more than some light precip.  The second is our big shot here.  THe models are showing it in a good state as it reaches the W coast, then loses it as it doesn't know which piece of energy to amp up and so it dies out.  Just going to need some time to let them figure it out.  It won't even be on shore until middle of next week.

Yep, agree.  The JMA looks a lot like the CMC...brings out a healthy wave and it's snow from OK to PA next weekend.  We gotta shoot for the weak, suppressed wave running into cold air and just 'hope' there is enough warm advection overrunning and jet level support for rising motion to aid in the precip generation.  An amped up wave and sfc low isn't going to work

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3 minutes ago, griteater said:

Yep, agree.  The JMA looks a lot like the CMC...brings out a healthy wave and it's snow from OK to PA.  We gotta shoot for the weak, suppressed wave running into cold air and just 'hope' there is enough warm advection overrunning and jet level support for rising motion to aid in the precip generation.  An amped up wave and sfc low isn't going to work

So in other words, listen to this, folks who got too excited, the 0z GFS solution was legitimately a total fantasy. Can't happen in this pattern. Hopefully no one got worked up over that run. It would only lead to big league disappointment.

It's a shame that we're in such a bad stretch of winters here that we have to actually root for a storm to not be a big one and instead hope for a weak 1-3" nuisance system. But such is life since the turn of the century. We'll take what we can get.

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2 minutes ago, Jonathan said:

So in other words folks who got too excited, the 0z GFS solution was legitimately a total fantasy. Can't happen in this pattern. Hopefully no one got worked up over that run. It's a shame that we're in such a bad stretch of winters here that we have to actually root for a storm to not be a big one and instead hope for a weak 1-3" nuisance system. But such is life since the turn of the century.

Any run that the models show is a possibility, just not likely. Yes it can happen, just a lot has to go right.

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7 minutes ago, Jonathan said:

So in other words, listen to this, folks who got too excited, the 0z GFS solution was legitimately a total fantasy. Can't happen in this pattern. Hopefully no one got worked up over that run. It would only lead to big league disappointment.

It's a shame that we're in such a bad stretch of winters here that we have to actually root for a storm to not be a big one and instead hope for a weak 1-3" nuisance system. But such is life since the turn of the century. We'll take what we can get.

For the benefit of the less knowledgeable among us, why would a stronger storm be bad?

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25 minutes ago, Jonathan said:

So in other words folks who got too excited, the 0z GFS solution was legitimately a total fantasy. Can't happen in this pattern. Hopefully no one got worked up over that run. It's a shame that we're in such a bad stretch of winters here that we have to actually root for a storm to not be a big one and instead hope for a weak 1-3" nuisance system. But such is life since the turn of the century.

Well we can certainly get good precip from a weak wave in a long SW flow fetch...just saying a juiced up wave is going to cut.  00z GFS looked great, but I thought its amplifying and digging wave was far fetched.  Just giving my thoughts here, I certainly don't have all the answers

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15 minutes ago, cbmclean said:

For the benefit of the less knowledgeable among us, why would a stronger storm be bad?

A stronger storm would mean a phase with the northern stream and the southern stream. If the streams phase, the intensity cranks up and "winds" the storm northward as it treks across the CONUS. Usually when a storm "phases" the two streams, the response out ahead of the storm is ridging, which of course would track the storm to our north and give us a cool (or warm) rain.

However, given the right atmospheric setup (preferably a big ridge on the west coast to allow the shortwave to dive deep into the south, and stout ridging into Greenland to keep the storm from raging to the north) a storm can phase at just the right time when the trough is negatively tiled and pull the storm from the gulf coast right up the east coast. Those are your major winter storms.

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Gsp disco

As we work through Thursday and Thursday night, the GFS and European 
both streak moisture and some spotty light precipitation across the 
region. It should be light since the Gulf of Mexico will be cut-off, 
but with colder temperatures some light snow could materialize. 

Temperatures on Thursday and Thursday night have trended colder, and 
we will follow that trend as well. 

Friday and Saturday offer greater complexity, as a chunk of Arctic 
air drops into the area. This effectively has resulted in a shift to 
the south of the primary over-running/warm air advection precipitation episode 
during that time frame. 

Considering how drastically the models are jumping around, we have 
opted to follow wpc and keep chance probability of precipitation in the forecast for Friday 
into Saturday. Although at this point we have light precipitation 
amounts, thermal profiles will support some light snow in a growing 
number of locations. 

As noted in previous discussions, this is currently a low confidence 
forecast at the end of the cycle - until the models can stabilize in 
with the overall pattern change. 

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