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9/30-10/5 Joaquin-Trough Interaction-DISCUSSION/OBS


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Even as Joaquin has been drifting southwest (225°) over the past 12 hours, the last 6 hours have seen a south-southwest trajectory (203°). Should that trajectory be sustained, the hurricane could be south and east of where the models place in in 12-18 hours perhaps making a capture more difficult.

I'm thinking it might try going for a late capture but could be too east to make much impact.

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Love me some media hype.

 

BREAKING: Hurricane Joaquin Now Expected To Directly Strike N.J.

The storm strengthened to a Category 3 storm, packing 120 mph winds, with expected landfall by Monday.

http://patch.com/new-jersey/summit/breaking-hurricane-joaquin-now-expected-directly-strike-nj-0

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It's unbelievable the depths people will go to in order to drive traffic to their website. They don't even have the updated cone which shows a further East track.

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:facepalm:

 

It's unbelievable the depths people will go to in order to drive traffic to their website. They don't even have the updated cone which shows a further East track.

 

And an unfortunate side effect of NHC taking a 'middle of the road' approach to guidance when they have very low confidence in the track. Perhaps they shouldn't even post long range forecast in such situations, because people don't understand.

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And an unfortunate side effect of NHC taking a 'middle of the road' approach to guidance when they have very low confidence in the track. Perhaps they shouldn't even post long range forecast in such situations, because people don't understand.

The particular web publication's hype has nothing to do with the NHC. The NHC is taking a balanced approach until the picture becomes clearer. The NHC also provides the following caveat:

 

NHC tropical cyclone forecast tracks can be in error. This forecast uncertainty is conveyed by the track forecast "cone", the solid white and stippled white areas in the graphic. The solid white area depicts the track forecast uncertainty for days 1-3 of the forecast, while the stippled area depicts the uncertainty on days 4-5. Historical data indicate that the entire 5-day path of the center of the tropical cyclone will remain within the cone about 60-70% of the time. To form the cone, a set of imaginary circles are placed along the forecast track at the 12, 24, 36, 48, 72, 96, and 120 h positions, where the size of each circle is set so that it encloses 67% of the previous five years official forecast errors. The cone is then formed by smoothly connecting the area swept out by the set of circles.

 

It is also important to realize that a tropical cyclone is not a point. Their effects can span many hundreds of miles from the center. The area experiencing hurricane force (one-minute average wind speeds of at least 74 mph) and tropical storm force (one-minute average wind speeds of 39-73 mph) winds can extend well beyond the white areas shown enclosing the most likely track area of the center.

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The NHC has done an excellent job handling this very difficult situation. It's not their fault a bunch of idiots are uploading false hype stories and misinformation.

Rich Nabb is doing a great job. And their cone is very reasonable. I would say 90% chance it's going to be right albeit on the right side but right.

Again even if it misses we have days and days of major surf and erosion. Remember Sandy never hit the otter banks but still did tremendous damage there

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Hurricane JOAQUIN Public Advisory

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HURRICANE JOAQUIN INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 15A

NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL112015

200 PM EDT THU OCT 01 2015

...JOAQUIN BECOMES AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE...

...CENTRAL BAHAMAS TO EXPERIENCE HURRICANE FORCE WINDS...STORM

SURGE...AND HEAVY RAIN THROUGH TONIGHT...

SUMMARY OF 200 PM EDT...1800 UTC...INFORMATION

----------------------------------------------

LOCATION...23.0N 74.2W

ABOUT 70 MI...115 KM SSE OF SAN SALVADOR BAHAMAS

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...130 MPH...210 KM/H

PRESENT MOVEMENT...SW OR 230 DEGREES AT 6 MPH...9 KM/H

MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...936 MB...27.64 INCHES

WATCHES AND WARNINGS

--------------------

CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

None.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Hurricane Warning is in effect for...

* Central Bahamas

* Northwestern Bahamas including the Abacos, Berry Islands,

Eleuthera, Grand Bahama Island, and New Providence

* The Acklins, Crooked Island, and Mayaguana in the southeastern

Bahamas

A Hurricane Watch is in effect for...

* Bimini

* Andros Island

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...

* Remainder of the southeastern Bahamas including the Turks and

Caicos Islands

* Andros Island

A Hurricane Warning means that hurricane conditions are expected

somewhere within the warning area. Preparations to protect life and

property should be complete in the central Bahamas.

A Hurricane Watch means that hurricane conditions are possible

within the watch area.

A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are

expected somewhere within the warning area.

For storm information specific to your area, please monitor

products issued by your national meteorological service.

 
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Long time lurker but I have a question. What happens if it continues to "wobble" W-NW? as others have stated the eruo had the southern edge of the storm into Cuba and that doesn't seem to be the case. What differences would that have down stream. I'm still learning as in going to school for meteorology. Thanks

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The notion that the Euro is wrong is just so inconceivable at this point. Especially with 95% of the other guidance now leaning towards that solution. 

 

What's amazing is that not once has Florida even been considered in danger and the center will probably be only a few hundred miles offshore tomorrow. 

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COASTAL HAZARD MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOUNT HOLLY NJ
412 PM EDT THU OCT 1 2015

...MODERATE TO POSSIBLY MAJOR COASTAL FLOODING HIGH TIDE CYCLES
ARE FORECAST THROUGH THIS WEEKEND...

NJZ012>014-020-026-027-021000-
/O.UPG.KPHI.CF.Y.0007.000000T0000Z-151002T1000Z/
/O.EXB.KPHI.CF.W.0002.000000T0000Z-151002T2200Z/
/O.EXT.KPHI.CF.A.0002.151002T2200Z-151004T2100Z/
MIDDLESEX-WESTERN MONMOUTH-EASTERN MONMOUTH-OCEAN-COASTAL OCEAN-
SOUTHEASTERN BURLINGTON-
412 PM EDT THU OCT 1 2015

...COASTAL FLOOD WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM EDT FRIDAY...
...COASTAL FLOOD WATCH NOW IN EFFECT FROM FRIDAY EVENING THROUGH
SUNDAY AFTERNOON...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MOUNT HOLLY HAS ISSUED A COASTAL
FLOOD WARNING...WHICH IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM EDT FRIDAY. THE
COASTAL FLOOD ADVISORY IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.

* COASTAL FLOODING...WIDESPREAD TIDAL FLOODING IS EXPECTED IN
MULTIPLE SUCCESSIVE HIGH TIDE CYCLES THROUGH AT LEAST FRIDAY.
MODERATE TIDAL FLOODING IS FORECAST FRIDAY WITH TONIGHT`S TIDE
ABOUT THE SAME AS THAT OF MIDDAY TODAY AND THEN FOR MIDDAY
FRIDAY IT ABOUT BE ABOUT 1 FOOT HIGHER THAN TODAYS TIDE. THE
TIDAL FLOODING EPISODES WILL CONTINUE INTO THE WEEKEND. A
BUILDING SURGE INTO SATURDAY COMBINED WITH 6 TO 10 FOOT BREAKING
WAVES AND PERIODS OF MODERATE OR HEAVY RAIN WILL CONTRIBUTE TO
THE TIDAL INUNDATION FLOODING. MARGINAL MODERATE COASTAL
FLOODING IS LIKELY WITHIN 2 HOURS OF THE HIGH TIDE CYCLES FRIDAY
NIGHT AND SATURDAY AS WELL. THEREAFTER, TIDAL FLOODING, POSSIBLY
TO A LESSER DEGREE WILL OCCUR THIS SATURDAY NIGHT AND POSSIBLY
SUNDAY.

* TIMING...HIGH TIDE ON THE OCEANFRONT WILL START AROUND 1100 PM
TONIGHT AND AROUND 1130 AM ON FRIDAY MORNING. HIGH TIDE ON THE
BACK BAYS AND ALONG THE RARITAN BAY OCCURS LATER THAN THE HIGH
TIDE ON THE OCEANFRONT.

* IMPACTS...NUMEROUS ROADWAYS WILL FLOOD, ESPECIALLY ON FRIDAY. MINOR
TO MODERATE PROPERTY DAMAGE IS POSSIBLE. THE TIDES AND WAVE
ACTION COULD RESULT IN MODERATE BEACH EROSION.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

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The notion that the Euro is wrong is just so inconceivable at this point. Especially with 95% of the other guidance now leaning towards that solution. 

 

What's amazing is that not once has Florida even been considered in danger and the center will probably be only a few hundred miles offshore tomorrow. 

 

What if ALL the models are wrong?

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