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Winter 2015-2016 speculation and discussion


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I'm not sure...but Toba's eruption 74k years ago was larger than any of the Yellowstone eruptions in the past.

Did a little research, it is bigger. But yeah, I know about its last eruption and the impacts it had. Mainly picked Yellowstone for its proximity to us. Toba would definitely have a bigger impact worldwide for sure.

Whatever, I'm in, days and days of ash fall, lollies of 50" or bust

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No matter what, you can't shine the turd that is Winter 15/16. There is just too much going againist big totals towards the coastal plain, we need supervolcano asap. I stand by my older calls on winter ending post-2025, at least in a way we care about so enjoy this last decade or so locally.

 

This is not the banter thread. Is there a block feature on this site? 

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Impressive October blocking event continues to unfold. Looks like a good chance it crosses the -3sd threshold.

 

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Dropping below -3sd isn't particularly common in October. Here's the complete list:

 

2002: -5.098 on 10/18

2014: -3.993 on 10/7

1979: -3.471 on 10/8

2009: -3.415 on 10/22

2003: -3.297 on 10/15

2012: -3.195 on 10/24

2006: -3.192 on 10/17

1984: -3.087 on 10/5

1981: -3.076 on 10/3

1991: -3.044 on 10/29

 

Probably a coincidence but 5 out of the 10 years are el nino years but they were all "acceptable" nino years in the snow department. Except 91-92 of course but that was a very oddball year weather wise around the globe because of Pinatubo.

 

06-07 could have been really good if the sleet storm was a snow storm. It was still a great storm though. An absolute glacier for days after. Might not have been a big snow producer but was definitely an interesting storm. I think parts of PG county had nearly an inch of ice too. 

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Impressive October blocking event continues to unfold. Looks like a good chance it crosses the -3sd threshold.

 

attachicon.gifaod109.JPG

 

attachicon.gifao109.JPG

 

 

Dropping below -3sd isn't particularly common in October. Here's the complete list:

 

2002: -5.098 on 10/18

2014: -3.993 on 10/7

1979: -3.471 on 10/8

2009: -3.415 on 10/22

2003: -3.297 on 10/15

2012: -3.195 on 10/24

2006: -3.192 on 10/17

1984: -3.087 on 10/5

1981: -3.076 on 10/3

1991: -3.044 on 10/29

 

Probably a coincidence but 5 out of the 10 years are el nino years but they were all "acceptable" nino years in the snow department. Except 91-92 of course but that was a very oddball year weather wise around the globe because of Pinatubo.

 

06-07 could have been really good if the sleet storm was a snow storm. It was still a great storm though. An absolute glacier for days after. Might not have been a big snow producer but was definitely an interesting storm. I think parts of PG county had nearly an inch of ice too. 

lost most of my power for 2 days, but not because of the ice storm

I had my poly-whatever water supply line to the house replaced the summer before and the knuckleheads nicked the power line so I lost a leg of the 220 volt service to my house the evening of the storm (of all times!), so lights were on in my 28 degree house, but no heat, stove, etc.

BGE was so busy with the storm related power loses, it took them until the 3rd day to get it fixed

very bad memory

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Impressive October blocking event continues to unfold. Looks like a good chance it crosses the -3sd threshold.

 

attachicon.gifaod109.JPG

 

attachicon.gifao109.JPG

 

 

Dropping below -3sd isn't particularly common in October. Here's the complete list:

 

2002: -5.098 on 10/18

2014: -3.993 on 10/7

1979: -3.471 on 10/8

2009: -3.415 on 10/22

2003: -3.297 on 10/15

2012: -3.195 on 10/24

2006: -3.192 on 10/17

1984: -3.087 on 10/5

1981: -3.076 on 10/3

1991: -3.044 on 10/29

 

Probably a coincidence but 5 out of the 10 years are el nino years but they were all "acceptable" nino years in the snow department. Except 91-92 of course but that was a very oddball year weather wise around the globe because of Pinatubo.

 

06-07 could have been really good if the sleet storm was a snow storm. It was still a great storm though. An absolute glacier for days after. Might not have been a big snow producer but was definitely an interesting storm. I think parts of PG county had nearly an inch of ice too. 

That is a really long predominantly negative period.

 

If it continues through winter, that would be a really long period.  So the likelihood is...........

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That is a really long predominantly negative period.

 

If it continues through winter, that would be a really long period.  So the likelihood is...........

 

It happens enough to not be considered unusual. There are a # of years with a long term negative bias. Not saying that this year is a long term negative. Looking at the other years with a solid -AO during July-Sept does seem to make a case for a continuation of the longer term trend. I'll hug the 09-10 analog for now.

 

June-March...lol

 

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It happens enough to not be considered unusual. There are a # of years with a long term negative bias. Not saying that this year is a long term negative. Looking at the other years with a solid -AO during July-Sept does seem to make a case for a continuation of the longer term trend. I'll hug the 09-10 analog for now.

 

June-March...lol

 

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OK, I'm in

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The super volcano idea isn't awful, would need to be Yellowstone though. We wouldn't be impacted by the initial eruption, just the ash fall and volcanic winter that followed. If it was one on the other side of the Atlantic however, the resulting tsunami would kill us all.

 

Speak for yourself, some of us having holdings out there. :)

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Ok serious speculation. There have been 7 moderate to strong modoki ninos. 57-58, 63-64, 65-66, 86-87, 91-92, 02-03, 09-10. All of them are similar with one clear outlier. So what caused 91-92 to be so different compared to the others?

 

 

Pinatubo side effects?

 

 

Yes...

 

There was a paper about 10 years ago that studied the effects of large tropical volcano eruptions...and it tends to enhance the westerlies of the stratospheric vortex, thus promoting a +AO type pattern the following winter. 1991-1992 followed this in classic fashion.

 

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/holocene/public_html/shared/articles/Shindelletal-jgr04.pdf

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Ok serious speculation. There have been 7 moderate to strong modoki ninos. 57-58, 63-64, 65-66, 86-87, 91-92, 02-03, 09-10. All of them are similar with one clear outlier. So what caused 91-92 to be so different compared to the others?

I don't know if you were just wondering about modoki years or all Niños, but since this year is not a modoki, are still suggesting a correlation for this one and modokis?
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Toba nearly did the human race in.

 

Yep. Scientists are pretty sure that the Toba eruption dropped the worldwide human population to less than 10K breeding pairs. This was a surprise and was found through genetic testing.

 

This is not the banter thread. Is there a block feature on this site? 

 

Yes. I just added you to it.

 

I dont wanna post any of the guys pics. But this guy has a solid winter forecast if you like snowy (who doesnt). Very well writtern as well:

 

http://www.ncpiedmontweather.com/pwf1516/

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link?

I did a YouTube search for Toba Alert and filtered for anything uploaded in the past week. This video was published on 10/8. No idea about the credibility or sourcing, but it looks like the publisher is associated with a conspiracy or prepper site of some sort. A volcano in the area did have an eruption in June, I think, but I don't know if it's still ongoing. Enjoy:

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I did a YouTube search for Toba Alert and filtered for anything uploaded in the past week. This video was published on 10/8. No idea about the credibility or sourcing, but it looks like the publisher is associated with a conspiracy or prepper site of some sort. A volcano in the area did have an eruption in June, I think, but I don't know if it's still ongoing. Enjoy:

 

http://www.inquisitr.com/2160555/indonesias-lake-toba-supervolcano-threatens-global-volcanic-winter-eruption-caused-mass-extinction-75-000-years-ago/

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Hasn't there been recent research to suggest that the Toba eruption wasn't as crushing a blow for humans as previously thought?

Yes. But it's heavily debated. It was based on a lake sediment bed in Africa that they argued showed little climate change due to the eruption.

But others have argued that little climate change from that type of eruption isn't very plausible. But perhaps somehow that region of Africa was a bit immune. You'd probably need some more robust evidence to be sure though.

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