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January 2015 Pattern Discussion


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next week holds our best chances for sure. Even if the gfs today kind of squashes any chance for the sundya monday period, verbatim it has hope for wed-thu... I'm optomistic we can get  an event out of next week to get us on the board, followed by another cold shot end of the week...then the pattern breaks for a bit into mlk week

 

Yeah I agree as well. Probably a break, but doesn't seem to be the month long disaster that December had lol.

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It looks like there is some guidance of a shift in the dominant regime of the past 6 weeks such that the Atlantic side is more favorable. Let's hope the GEFS have a clue.

 

We can celebrate the beginning of the real winter after MLK over a meal or two.  It's coming, how long it lasts?  But I think we see a good period of wintry weather into at least the first week of February along with a larger storm or two.

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We can celebrate the beginning of the real winter after MLK over a meal or two.  It's coming, how long it lasts?  But I think we see a good period of wintry weather into at least the first week of February along with a larger storm or two.

We take what we get. I owe you 2 dinners. Pick the place.

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The NAO is why I'd be hesitant to think a 2013-esque turnaround...that, and the fact that 2013 was so ridiculous of a turnaround, that even favorable conditions would unlikely match it. But the NAO needs to show some life...it's been a death vortex there. Zombie-esque.

 

We shall see though. If we do in fact get a -NAO, then I think we'll see a very good stretch regardless if it matches 2013 or not. Don't forgot, we bascally put up a 25 spot (and 30 spot in a chunk of CT) in one storm in 2013 to start the comeback.Think of how much snow that is for a minute...you can get two 12" snowstorms and it's still a little short. And I don't have to remind everyone (well maybe a few) that 12 inch snowstorms don't grow on trees.

 

 

One thing that will try and help us I think is the STJ. It should be active I'd think in February/March.

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Why is this year less favored to do it than that year??? If anything, it's better suited to do so.

Murphy's Law says that is exactly why it won't happen, lol.

There is something about flips around Feb 1st...like 06-07 was a dead ratter then had the most incredible turn around in Feb/Mar/Apr up here. 2013 it was SNE....1969 and years like that.

Just like it's hard to get a wire-to-wire epic winter...likewise it's tough to be completely skunked all season when a lot of favorable seasonal indications are there.

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The NAO is why I'd be hesitant to think a 2013-esque turnaround...that, and the fact that 2013 was so ridiculous of a turnaround, that even favorable conditions would unlikely match it. But the NAO needs to show some life...it's been a death vortex there. Zombie-esque.

We shall see though. If we do in fact get a -NAO, then I think we'll see a very good stretch regardless if it matches 2013 or not. Don't forgot, we bascally put up a 25 spot (and 30 spot in a chunk of CT) in one storm in 2013 to start the comeback.Think of how much snow that is for a minute...you can get two 12" snowstorms and it's still a little short. And I don't have to remind everyone (well maybe a few) that 12 inch snowstorms don't grow on trees.

One thing that will try and help us I think is the STJ. It should be active I'd think in February/March.

Yeah I don't argue that we wouldn't see a turnaround, but something even just under 2013 would be hard to beat. But hey, crazier things have happened. I think it would be a fun time regardless. I guess that's all relative though in this winter lol. A 4" storm would be fun.

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In the 2013 turn around...was that mainly those two biggies or were there a bunch of other events mixed in?

For me it was the blizzard, the fire hose event, and there was another decent moderate or so event about a week after the blizzard. That was pretty much it.

So in a sense the turnaround was epic in the snowfall total department. However, it came in mostly 2 highly anomalous events.

We didn't see a train of systems like 10-11 had. In a way we just cashed in on two unlikely setups

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March 18 was a good one here. I got almost 10" and north of Boston nearly a foot or more. Also, mid February saw a 5-7" fluff job.

Ah yeah I forgot about that March event...I think we had a 12-14" system in there but I thought it was the 22nd or 23rd so might have been a different one.

To get the "epic" turn arounds though you definitely need at least one HECS or something of that ilk. Like 2013 you guys had the Feb blizzard, and up here in 2007 we had Valentines Day with widespread 24-36" in BTV's CWA. Then in 2013 you guys had the March firehose event while in 2007 up here there was St Patty's day plus upslope which was another 18-36" total.

Those are what really make the memorable turn arounds. I guess you could do it with smaller events but you'd need a lot of 6-12" events to really make up serious ground like Will said...it's much easier when you throw in a couple top 15 type all-time storms.

Granted when winter is heading towards ratter, even 4 warning criteria storms in Feb/March would be a huge win, even if it only nets like 30-40". That would still be a good turn around, but if you're looking for like 50-60" after Feb 1st, you need at least one HECS or two biggies of MECS status.

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Despite the wait/anticipation of a more significant snow event this week has been very Januaryesque, at least out here.  Sure, the w/e storm cut but we picked up a few inches that glaciated with a torch that went awol and it's been damn cold and wintery thanks to today's light accumulation with bitter cold en route. 

Seasons in seasons.  The snow is coming, you can almost sense it.   As many have stated, different pattern different "feel" from the 2011/12 disaster.  Hard to complain too much when we got crushed out here in Oct 2011 and got pretty banged up by the pre-Tday storm this year when in both events a lot of SNE posters were on the outside looking in. 

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Scott, reading between the lines, it seems as though you are pretty down on the rest of winter. Are thinking ratter deep down?

I don't think he's saying ratter and you have to be careful putting that out. In fact I read cautious optimism of a decent flip but worried about NAO. Posts like yours can be misconstrued such that some weenie posts in multiple threads that coastal wx thinks winters over when in fact he never said that and in fact implied otherwise.

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No, I don't mean to imply that. Has it sucked so far? Yes absolutely...and this cold with a translucent dusting pisses me off too. So yeah, I'm human and it's going to come out at times.

 

However, I'm hopeful for some sort of a turnaround...I actually thought it came out in some posts yesterday, but perhaps not. Don't misconstrue that fact that I'm not expecting a 2013 turnaround as me implying a dead ratter. I could be wrong and we are buried, but I'm a little skeptical of getting 60+" in 6 weeks or whatever it was. 

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I think this is wrong and I think you have been slowly almost imperceptively melting over the lat 2 days.

We have several components for costal storms and as Steve says all we need is good timing or a quasi block. I think it will happen and I think the pattern can support a coastal. Positive pna active southern jet strong baroclinity cold air source.

Why is this so hard to follow..it's not going to be a big snow winter. It's mid Jan and many places have seen less than 10 inches. We're not in a big coastal storm pattern..expect small events every few days and by the end when totaled up..hopefully most places are near normal for snow

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No, I don't mean to imply that. Has it sucked so far? Yes absolutely...and this cold with a translucent dusting pisses me off too. So yeah, I'm human and it's going to come out at times.

However, I'm hopeful for some sort of a turnaround...I actually thought it came out in some posts yesterday, but perhaps not. Don't misconstrue that fact that I'm not expecting a 2013 turnaround as me implying a dead ratter. I could be wrong and we are buried, but I'm a little skeptical of getting 60+" in 6 weeks or whatever it was.

I knew what you meant. I just wanted to get this out in the open, as clear and unequivocal as possible.
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