OceanStWx Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Go on a free site like twister data and fire up H700 VVs. I can't attach. Bleak picture to the NW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonWX Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I def. am of the opinion that the oe plays a role in inhibiting/squashing the nw edge of these ocean lows...probably a product of subsidence, but too many times I have seen the cut off in the same, exact spot. Right near Boston...same thing in the non waa, 2nd half of 1/2-3. It is always just NW of MBY. It's uncanny, and I would tend to agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 This is not an OE CJ. It's 80% mid level stuff. I def. am of the opinion that the oe plays a role in inhibiting/squashing the nw edge of these ocean lows...probably a product of subsidence, but too many times I have seen the cut off in the same, exact spot. Right near Boston...same thing in the non waa, 2nd half of 1/2-3. I know the deformation is born of mid level deformation, but I think its nw progression gets impeded/haulted by oe attributed susbsidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remheads Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 2" and school already cancelled lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 10 inches new and still ripping #GinxyJackpot is trending on twitter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 You did as well as Will Yep, give credit where it is due...he did too. My point was to say that we tried to mention there may be screw zones...but when models are still shifting...you can't get cute with placements of those. The RAP this morning did a nice job hitting this. I admit I was too far west this morning when I got in and saw the GFS, but the Euro actually wasn't far behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 It is always just NW of MBY. It's uncanny, and I would tend to agree with you. Yes. Its not a coincidence. I get the mid level deformation...its not pure oe, but the oe contribution creates subsidence....tough to argue otherwise imo. I mentioned this exact scenario before the event started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Ah well. Just another thing to experience and hopefully learn from Humility is a bitter thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Englander Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 10 inches new and still ripping Sweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I know the deformation is born of mid level deformation, but I think its nw progression gets impeded/haulted by oe attributed susbsidence. I don't agree with this. The OE is really independent and acts to enhance. When you have mid left stuff too it can seed and feed the oes. They augment one another. If anything the intense fronto forcing can inhibit oes on either side of it to some extent. The OE was there the last two hours you just couldn't see it under the front stuff. As that fades it's more evident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Go on a free site like twister data and fire up H700 VVs. I can't attach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I know the deformation is born of mid level deformation, but I think its nw progression gets impeded/haulted by oe attributed susbsidence. I don't think so. Dry air bleeding northerly winds. Combined with being outside fronto band. Smoking subsidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Some of my heaviest snow of the event right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 vertvel012114.gif Like I said, bleak picture to the NW of that band. Does this backpedal at all? Because our forecast has needed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I know the deformation is born of mid level deformation, but I think its nw progression gets impeded/haulted by oe attributed susbsidence. It's actually the mid levels. OE is very low level stuff and the lift/subsidence combo from this really doesn;t have a huge effect on your area. The reason why sometimes you get screwed in these events is because naturally the environment favoring ocean effect stuff or enhancement means the airmass is mighty cold even on the coast. When it is cold on the coast...you know the storm track is going to be well SE. A storm track well SE means your area lives on the edge for good WAA/lift/frontogenesis. So I see what you are saying...but it's not the OE directly...I would blame the synoptic pattern as to why you hate this stuff. I hope I understood what you said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Snowing nicely in Brookline. Just got in from a walk around Jamaica Pond. Having my whiskey -- for health -- and getting into my nightgown. You all seem... fussy. Especially when a few days ago it looked like no snow was coming W of Cape Cod. Whiskey is why I rarely catch colds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 #GinxyJackpot is trending on twitter... lol, this is the obs thread right? Not OES here but pure PF fluff bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Here's to a nice wet snow next time around for everyone haha seacrest out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I gotta delete my attachments and give some dough to the site...lol. Thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 So are we sure the storm is over for N of Bos? Seems like we are acting like it. Those VV's you speak of bump back nw a tad next few hrs And the band is bulgin nw a bit Essex county gets into it back to near ray maybe a tit east Could still verify warning snows nw of bos a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I could see this bulge into Essex county as it is trying to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy4Confluence Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Flurries+ 12 degrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I'm sure the models won't over trend nw in the sw flow pattern, though. You'll get your's. I mentioned this in one post, but what scared me is that this one had all the makings of an oe shuffle in that the heavy snow haults at Boston. Same thing in 1/2-3, except we were saved by the initial waa surge. That wasn't there this time. Well with the SW flow pattern what often happens is the secondary low is modeled too far NW...that's when this area gets the 7-10 split, as the developing secondary heads further SE and jackpots Dendrite again, haha. I have no idea how Dendrite doesn't average 130" per year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Just another reminder that it is snowing beautifully where Zeus is, and according to the last few frames of the radar loop, it looks to continue snowing beautifully where Zeus is. Hooray for Zeus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 It's actually the mid levels. OE is very low level stuff and the lift/subsidence combo from this really doesn;t have a huge effect on your area. The reason why sometimes you get screwed in these events is because naturally the environment favoring ocean effect stuff or enhancement means the airmass is mighty cold even on the coast. When it is cold on the coast...you know the storm track is going to be well SE. A storm track well SE means your area lives on the edge for good WAA/lift/frontogenesis. So I see what you are saying...but it's not the OE directly...I would blame the synoptic pattern as to why you hate this stuff. I hope I understood what you said? If the system is favorable for OE enhancement Boston south it's probably not a Favorable system for him. 100% like you said its synoptic. OE is just the end result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonseminole Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I could see this bulge into Essex county as it is trying to do. yes snow has improved here, not over yet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Like I said, bleak picture to the NW of that band. Does this backpedal at all? Because our forecast has needed it. There's no reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I could see this bulge into Essex county as it is trying to do. yes snow has improved here, not over yet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I could see this bulge into Essex county as it is trying to do.Well i mean that is exactly what 18z gfs showed for 3z and on a bitPicked up significantly in last few mins here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 There sure is a lot of precip sw of us, this story is not over yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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