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The March 5-7 White Lion Obs/Nowcasting Thread


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Major Storm 6-12+ Bob Ryan going 90%... finally catching up!

 

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Bob Ryan just went with historic DC snow.

 

 

8-10'' all the way to the bay! Wow!

 

 

What a HUGE turnaround for lower southern MD!  They looked bleak just a few hours ago.  Awesome news for my family down there, and especially my brother who has plowing contracts in northern Calvert.  He's gonna make bucks tomorrow.

 

 

CWG gave tomorrow a 7 out of 10. Pretty good

 

 

Yeah, the RAP is monstrous for tomorrow. We'd all have a foot+ if it verified.

 

 

There is a death band coming

 

 

It is amazing how far south the 850 and 925 0C lines have ended up.

 

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925: 

 

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I think the mixing threat was overrated. I would think that DC/Baltimore should go wire-to-wire snow now.

 

 

Pretty awesome radar signature already. Its only going to get better as the ULL dives SE

 

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it's like feb 2010 all over again, but march

 

 

we're going to get so destroyed

 

i dont even have anything else to say for now

 

 

that and 2/6 were showing up almost every run on CIPS. it's like a 2/10 turning into a 2/5-6.

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Looking ahead to next winter season, I will continue to want to be in the modeled area with the greatest precip and cold temps in the runs leading up to gametime. My area really never was on any of even the really good runs, we were always modeled as on the edge, and that's exactly how it played out.  I have never really been comfortable with "north trend". 

 

On this one, as uneven as the models were on the edges, they did a great job identifying the areas that were likeliest to cash in. And that never really wavered. 

 

Bullseye with good temp profile, that's about the only way I ever feel comfortable. 

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The analysis of all the model runs was really good with this storm. We dissected them from top to bottom. Hashed out all the fine details. Rode them to the highest high even as snow was already falling.

The one thing we kinda missed was that they were all f***ing wrong.

Lol!!!!

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Coastal bust is one thing, but these temp busts are even worse.  Was supposed to be high of 33F today and it's 39F outside now - even with clearing skies.  I may not have any snow left by morning at the rate it's melting.  10" on the ground at 9 AM (with forecasted additional 4 - 8); and by nightfall the majority is gone already.

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I guess everybody has a letdown feeling with this storm. Somebody will say how can you be let down with an 11.5 inch snow? Well, it goes to two things which for me ended up being the same thing. What I was hoping for was an all day mod-heavy snow. I never wanted 20 inches or even a foot. I was hoping for about 6" that fell over about an 8 hour period. Then I hoped it melted the next day. I like to watch it snow. Well what I got was 9" by 7am (over performer btw) and then 2.5 more by about 9:30. So, I got to see snow for a couple daylight hours, and spend about an hour and a half plowing the driveway and shoveling the walks and deck.

The early part of the storm was great. Forecast of 3-5 turned into 9. The part I wanted, the all day long, was what fell apart. I knew as soon as the precip took on the ne-sw direction back here that it was over. We were too far from the low at that point. We only do really well back here with precip coming from the south, be it sw, se, or just s. Precip with a northerly component to its direction just won't work this far west and this close to the mountains. Feb 10, 10 is a perfect example of that. It's like the low wound itself up too quickly for the long duration event back this way.

Now I hope winter is over. It was a tough year, much tougher for some than for me. We can all look ahead to next year with hope. One fun part for me has been hanging around this forum and being able to share thoughts with so many outstanding people.

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The analysis of all the model runs was really good with this storm. We dissected them from top to bottom. Hashed out all the fine details. Rode them to the highest high even as snow was already falling.

The one thing we kinda missed was that they were all f***ing wrong.

Your analysis was/is much appreciated :)

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I think one problem with how it evolved was that initial WAA band that was supposed to really crank, ran way out ahead of the upper level system and lost its support.  This really killed its ability to become a super band, instead it was just 8 hours of light to moderate precip.  I don't think the models, the globals anyways, did badly with the second half of the storm.  They were all hinting the storm would go through that messy transition and that banding would become more spotty the second half of the storm.  Problem was we should have all had 4-8" of snow by then and with a colder boundary due to dynamic cooling we could have then picked up a few more inches in bands and it might have worked out.  That initial band running out ahead and weakening really pulled the rug out of this system.  It just never got its act together. 

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Wow. Can't believe this busted so badly for DC--I'll be back in McLean this Friday, and was looking forward to 12" of concrete. :(

it's march this stuff is going to melt in 45 seconds tomorrow

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I appreciate it but apparently it's mostly for entertainment purposes only. It's been a whole lotta typing and no shoveling.

Keep plugging Bob, next year all your work will pay off. Look if the Ravens can win the Super Bowl and the Orioles can make the playoffs in the same year it shows that miracles are possible.

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I guess everybody has a letdown feeling with this storm. Somebody will say how can you be let down with an 11.5 inch snow? Well, it goes to two things which for me ended up being the same thing. What I was hoping for was an all day mod-heavy snow. I never wanted 20 inches or even a foot. I was hoping for about 6" that fell over about an 8 hour period. Then I hoped it melted the next day. I like to watch it snow. Well what I got was 9" by 7am (over performer btw) and then 2.5 more by about 9:30. So, I got to see snow for a couple daylight hours, and spend about an hour and a half plowing the driveway and shoveling the walks and deck.

The early part of the storm was great. Forecast of 3-5 turned into 9. The part I wanted, the all day long, was what fell apart. I knew as soon as the precip took on the ne-sw direction back here that it was over. We were too far from the low at that point. We only do really well back here with precip coming from the south, be it sw, se, or just s. Precip with a northerly component to its direction just won't work this far west and this close to the mountains. Feb 10, 10 is a perfect example of that. It's like the low wound itself up too quickly for the long duration event back this way.

Now I hope winter is over. It was a tough year, much tougher for some than for me. We can all look ahead to next year with hope. One fun part for me has been hanging around this forum and being able to share thoughts with so many outstanding people.

 

Yeah, we were golden last night with the precip moving in from the SSW.  As soon as that changed this morning the rates let up and that was the kiss of death for us.  Had this been January we still could've salvaged another 2 - 3 inches from the light stuff that fell up to 1:30 PM.  That lull around 9:30 allowed the boundary layer to warm and I suspected then that we weren't going to be able to recover from it.  It's a real shame that we got our biggest snow in 3 years yet are still left disappointed.  I feel bad for everyone.  DC/Balt crew just got royally screwed.

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Thanks just needed to make sure nobody thought this was just a minor bust.

 

it was an across the board bust.. but some of your comments are out of context of course. for the record i didn't think it was producing feb 2010 totals. the pattern was similar.

 

i dunno what happened last night.. cascade effect. i swear everyone got each other into super weenie mode and it ran through multiple spheres.

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I appreciate it but apparently it's mostly for entertainment purposes only. It's been a whole lotta typing and no shoveling.

Maybe we should have a MA rule next winter of no weather discussion, models especially more than 48 hours into the future. Call it the 48 and under disco thread. All other threads would be contests, banter, or past event discussion threads. Suspend for one day anyone who made mention of anything beyond 48 hours.

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it was an across the board bust.. but some of your comments are out of context of course. for the record i didn't think it was producing feb 2010 totals. the pattern was similar.

 

i dunno what happened last night.. cascade effect. i swear everyone got each other into super weenie mode and it ran through multiple spheres.

Don't beat yourself up you did just as good as any other met in the world with this, except that 15 year old wiz kid. Just remember your usual strategy of being pessimistic works here 95% of the time.

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