vortex95 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 5W8 - Siler City NC 6A2 - Griffin GA D25 - Manitowish Waters WI IIY - Washington GA JRB - New York City/Wall Street NY DXZ changed to SGU - St George UT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBUWX23 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 5W8 - Siler City NC 6A2 - Griffin GA D25 - Manitowish Waters WI IIY - Washington GA JRB - New York City/Wall Street NY DXZ changed to SGU - St George UT Is the data from JRB accessible? I had no idea there was going to be another obs site (AWOS) in NYC. I am assuming this at the heliport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 5W8 - Siler City NC 6A2 - Griffin GA D25 - Manitowish Waters WI IIY - Washington GA JRB - New York City/Wall Street NY DXZ changed to SGU - St George UT Is there a METAR code for bull****? Seriously though, I have to question the necessity of another observing site in the New York area when you already have NYC, LGA, JFK, EWR right there and I can't remember all the suburban ones like Teterboro and Westchester and Long Island. Is the goal to find a site that isn't always affected by some particular weather? For instance, EWR runs hot because of the NJTP and runways, JFK runs cool if there's a seabreeze, etc...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Is there a METAR code for bull****? Seriously though, I have to question the necessity of another observing site in the New York area when you already have NYC, LGA, JFK, EWR right there and I can't remember all the suburban ones like Teterboro and Westchester and Long Island. Is the goal to find a site that isn't always affected by some particular weather? For instance, EWR runs hot because of the NJTP and runways, JFK runs cool if there's a seabreeze, etc...? If someone wants to pay to put it in, then good for them. The more data the merrier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Is there a METAR code for bull****? Seriously though, I have to question the necessity of another observing site in the New York area when you already have NYC, LGA, JFK, EWR right there and I can't remember all the suburban ones like Teterboro and Westchester and Long Island. Is the goal to find a site that isn't always affected by some particular weather? For instance, EWR runs hot because of the NJTP and runways, JFK runs cool if there's a seabreeze, etc...? As I recall, JRB AWOS has been there for years. Its just now that the owner decided to get it hooked up to NOAAPort. (though I haven't been able to find its obs on-line just yet) Remember, these are aviation weather sites. If they need obs to land/take-off, and if the money is available, they put in a station. Its completely unrelated to all the points you mentioned above. And, its not a climate station. Its just an AWOS, which only in rare circumstances (i.e., the middle of nowhere like out here ) is used for climate data. Generally, only ASOS is used for climate data. JRB is essentially NYC's version of LOM in Philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmeddler Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Does anyone know if the AWOS is at the Lwr. Manhattan Heliport or actually on the top of a building someplace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Does anyone know if the AWOS is at the Lwr. Manhattan Heliport or actually on the top of a building someplace? Its at the heliport as far as I know. http://www.airnav.com/airport/KJRB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 As I recall, JRB AWOS has been there for years. Its just now that the owner decided to get it hooked up to NOAAPort. (though I haven't been able to find its obs on-line just yet) Remember, these are aviation weather sites. If they need obs to land/take-off, and if the money is available, they put in a station. Its completely unrelated to all the points you mentioned above. And, its not a climate station. Its just an AWOS, which only in rare circumstances (i.e., the middle of nowhere like out here ) is used for climate data. Generally, only ASOS is used for climate data. JRB is essentially NYC's version of LOM in Philly. Oh ok, it sounded to me like they were physically adding a new station. Still though, I can't imagine the obs being that different from EWR or JFK. But I guess, like you said, if the money is there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Oh ok, it sounded to me like they were physically adding a new station. Still though, I can't imagine the obs being that different from EWR or JFK. But I guess, like you said, if the money is there... I don't know if this is the case at JRB, but airports with commercial aviation are required to have weather observations on-site. Otherwise, they can't land. If, for example, the ASOS at Elko Airport is out for some reason, they turn the planes around and send them back to Salt Lake City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortex95 Posted December 17, 2011 Author Share Posted December 17, 2011 As I recall, JRB AWOS has been there for years. Its just now that the owner decided to get it hooked up to NOAAPort. (though I haven't been able to find its obs on-line just yet) Remember, these are aviation weather sites. If they need obs to land/take-off, and if the money is available, they put in a station. Its completely unrelated to all the points you mentioned above. And, its not a climate station. Its just an AWOS, which only in rare circumstances (i.e., the middle of nowhere like out here ) is used for climate data. Generally, only ASOS is used for climate data. JRB is essentially NYC's version of LOM in Philly. A number of small heliports have AWOS units. Size of the landing site, where it is, or who owns it does not matter. As has been said, if the owner of the AWOS unit has the $$ and wants it on NADIN, they go to one of the NADIN vendors and it gets added to NADIN. In turn that routes it to WMCSR and then to NOAAPort. As it stands now there are well over 500 AWOS units across the U.S. that we do not see Metars for b/c they do not have NADIN service. New sites are being installed all the time. All these sites are non-federal, so the NWS/FAA has nothing to do with them as to supplying the funding for NADIN service. It is up to the owners of the AWOS, which can be a city, state, DOT, private individual, etc, if they want it on NADIN. This medical heliport in Houston had been on NADIN for a few years now: http://www.airnav.com/airport/38TE Since codes like these are not allowed have Metar data, a code of KMCJ was assign to the site so Metars could be sent. Interesting thing about this AWOS is that it continued to report during Hurricane Ike as it is on the hospital's backup generator, while most other sites in the Houston area stopped reporting. Here is another example, this time a resort airport: In this case, the code was officially changed to KDZB for Metar transmission. http://www.airnav.com/airport/KDZB KJRB for some reason is not showing up on weather.noaa.gov or the FAA ADDS site, but does have NADIN service as I see it on a non-public data feed. I am checking with the FAA on this. No reason why it should not be on web or on NOAAPort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 It's nice to see an AWOS occupy Wall Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twcmaster Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I have been receiving obs from that site for many years via voice phone (212-425-1534) as I lived 2 blocks away on Wall Street and am still downtown. I would love to be able to get the data as a standard METAR. The anemometer (which was an aerovane) was right at the heliport ground level which is raised somewhat from the East River, but definitely not 10 meters. There was also a Davis Vantage Pro 2 right next to it. I haven't been over there in awhile, but next time I do, I will check and see if there is any new/additional equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBUWX23 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Any update on JRB? All others are now showing up through NOAAport and NWS ob sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twcmaster Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Allisonhouse.com now has KJRB data flowing in their feeds: http://www.allisonhouse.com/blog/?p=349 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBUWX23 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Yeah Allison house switched the source to directly from FAA. Id assume eventually NWS will have this on their feed as well, but who knows when. Allisonhouse.com now has KJRB data flowing in their feeds: http://www.allisonho...com/blog/?p=349 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shsg Falls Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Yeah Allison house switched the source to directly from FAA. Id assume eventually NWS will have this on their feed as well, but who knows when. JRB is showing up on DUAT (a FAA) weather briefing and flight service for pilots. Odd, since the FAA is rarely the 1st in anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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