Jonger

Flint running +15 on the month.

Will we beat 2012?

5-6 inches in Howell.

26 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

They average more strictly from Lake Erie influence. It isn't a snow hole just because its not in the snowbelt. There are actually places in the banana belt of the upper peninsula & northeast Lower peninsula of  michigan that average around or slightly less know than Detroit or Pittsburgh (but more snowcover). Detroit averages 7-8" more than Toledo, but it's more extreme in warm winters, with last year being a great example. It's like the old saying, sometimes you have to smell the rain to get the best snow. That was the case last winter. Some great storms and snowfall rates but not for cold and snow cover

I'm not sure about this. The lowest is probably near Escanaba, but even they average at least 70. It goes WAY up as you go north from there.

This is not accurate. I easily had more than 5 inches. 

15 minutes ago, Stevo6899 said:

Yea one minute it's heavy snow, next its rain. Always riding that line here on the east side it seems.

I'm at 32 in Howell.

Detroit is above freezing at 3000Ft.

1 minute ago, michsnowfreak said:

Oh I know. I just meant early on. A few hours of temperature spike and dry slot are imminent.

The dry-slot on the GFS has Howell as a low spot in Michigan.

4 minutes ago, Lightning said:

If we don't lose the snow currently on the ground it should help.  Starting from bare wet ground 

There's a possibility of something interesting. I think the best spot in Michigan will be around Houghton Lake.

1 minute ago, Lightning said:

I am hoping we can get a 6" or so solid/glacier like base on the ground which the LES will freshen up.  

Temp will probably top out around 35. It's hard to say, but I'm not expecting much now. 

4 minutes ago, A-L-E-K said:

the drying trend across 12z bad for everybody

It's the too-far-from-the-ocean moisture adjustment.

Just give me 4+ for the cold. I want to set a decent low for 2024.

Models are adjusting to midwestern low moisture realities.

6-10 for Chi & Det and all points in between.

Why that guy doesn't move to Miami is beyond me.

1 minute ago, michsnowfreak said:

It will finish 3rd warmest. Mild Decembers and snowy Februarys, while not guaranteed, have definitely become a trend in recent years. 8 of the top 20 warmest Decembers happened since 2000 while 10 of the top 20 snowiest Februarys have also happened since 2000.

I wonder where this ranks for snowfall and a DJF month at Det and FLT.

On 12/28/2023 at 12:11 PM, michsnowfreak said:

I can confirm. The two months have finished very close a few times, but at Detroit officially, December has never finished warmer than November (it should not this year either).

Flint will come in with November colder than December by a hair. Reflecting my backyard station.

Detroit will come in with it's 3rd or 2nd warmest December ever -- most likely 3rd. 1st is 2015.  

8 out of 20 warmest Decembers in Detroit all happened in the 2000s.

On 12/28/2023 at 12:11 PM, michsnowfreak said:

I can confirm. The two months have finished very close a few times, but at Detroit officially, December has never finished warmer than November (it should not this year either).

I'm at 37.4F for December. November was 37.0F.

So, my December was warmer than November.

November was 0.3 colder than December. 

How often does that happen?

Update through Oct 2nd.

I hope we don't go above 75 until May.

Hmm.

I really hope I don't lose power.

25 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:

Interesting. Here is my best guess for the lower Great Lakes, using 7 reference sites. Data before 1860 is limited, and subject to larger deviation from actual.

Top 5 Coldest: 1842, 1837, 1862, 1839, and 1903

Top 5 Warmest: 1949, 1919, 2005, 2021, and 1933

Do you really believe anything pre 1860s?

5 hours ago, A-L-E-K said:

lol, what a summer

Less rain the better.

Less mowing and you know how that goes........

4 hours ago, Lightning said:

How many strike did you record yesterday?

872

The pines are gonna show damage for years.