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  1. 1 minute ago, OSUmetstud said:

    The vast majority of scientist and scientific papers from all of the world point to natural origin for sars cov 2. I understand the want to go to a more nefarious origin given issues with Chinese govt but the genomic data doesn't support it. 

    Unfortunately, conspiracy theorists don't read scientific papers nor evidence-based reasoning.  That's why I just laugh at them nowadays.  There is no point debating them.  They live on the dark web and 4chan message boards.  It's sad that many seemingly smart people actually believe this nonsense.

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  2. 10 minutes ago, NEOH said:

    Oh you're right. The Chinese government are wonderful, terrific people who have the best interest of the US in mind. 

    They certainly don't.  But that doesn't mean they're cooking up viruses in labs.

    Do you also believe that AIDS was created by our government to decimate the African American population?  Do you believe in Q?  What other conspiracies do you believe in?  Maybe it's time to step outside and get some fresh air.

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  3. 1 hour ago, NEOH said:

    If the lab is still open in Wuhan they are probably working on developing other awful viruses. Who knows, maybe COVID is just the tip of the Chinese biological weapon spear. 

    LOL.  And if you actually believe this....LMAO.

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  4. 1 hour ago, dta1984 said:

    More on how lockdowns cause more harm than good.  Directly from the Ohio governor;

    @GovMikeDeWine: When we shut things down in the spring, we saw child abuse reporting going down b/c teachers generally report abuse. We saw a spike in mental health problems. We saw a spike in overdoses, we think because people took drugs alone and there was no one there to call 911.

    Unfortunately there are tradeoffs.  Pretty soon you might be hearing stories of people who are rushed to the hospital with appendicitis and there are no beds in the hospital for them.  In fact there are already some instances of that happening now.  It's up to the public to determine whether they would rather see their community hospitals overflowing vs. keeping Hoppy Squirrel Saloon open

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  5. 4 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

    Are we agreeing to let people just die in favor of the economy? If so that is just pathetically sad!!! We can always recover the economy but you can NEVER EVER get your loved ones back!!!

    In some states, yes.  Some people worship at the altar of three letters: G-D-P.

  6. 7 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

    What are you supposed to do if you're an essential worker who has preexisting conditions?

    I guess she wants those people to quit their jobs and stay inside their houses until there's a vaccine.

    Athletes' wives really need to stay off Twitter.  Nobody cares what they think.

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  7. 2 hours ago, chances14 said:

    Whitmer claims that bars and restaurants are an easy target for covid spread, yet the health departments own data doesn't support it. Hair salons were one of the last to open in the last shutdown claiming easy covid spread, yet they are allowed to be open this time around

    I don't know anything about their health department, but restaurants and especially bars have been known as big spreaders.  Many clusters have been traced back to bars and restaurants.  In fact bars likely drove the summer wave.

    After Arizona closed gyms over the summer, their hospitalizations decreased rapidly.  Much more rapidly than they did in Texas or Florida.  So there is some thought that gyms are significant contributors as well.

    Once you pick up the infection, though, it largely propagates through home gatherings.

  8. 3 minutes ago, nwohweather said:

    Yet so many on this board are about the closings. I’d venture to say many of the same people advocating this have been to bars and restaurants multiple times

    I haven't dined inside a restaurant since March 16, 2020.  I even remember the date.  I honestly don't even miss it that much.  I've done plenty of takeout though.

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  9. 2 hours ago, Angrysummons said:

    Don't need stimulus. Current restrictions are working and it looks like hospitalizations will stabilize by early December. Listen, I am hardly a big capitalist, but the system is over inflated with dollars right now and China is kicking US butt globally. Not a good combination.

    There is plenty of money in the system, but the problem is that, the way it's distributed, we're heading for a K-shaped recovery.

  10. Sweden has basically just admitted their approach during the spring was a failure.  They've now banned any gathering larger than 8 people and are telling people not to go to gyms or restaurants.  These restrictions are much more strict than what they did last spring.

    Their original plan was to build up enough 'herd immunity' in the spring so that, when the inevitable 'second wave' grapples the world, Sweden wouldn't really see a second wave.  Guess that didn't work out.  #Fail

     

     

  11. 5 minutes ago, mississaugasnow said:

    I find that aspect of republicanism interesting. If you follow that belief to the end point you end at libertarianism.

    That's why only 3% of the population is Libertarian.  They cray.

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  12. The federal government is spending hundreds of billions of dollars on Covid health care expenses (especially hospitalizations).  If we have vaccines that are proven safe and effective, then anyone who chooses not to get a vaccine should sign a waiver.  Basically, the waiver will state that, if they opted out of getting vaccinated, then if they become hospitalized due to Covid, not a single federal dollar will go towards their care (e.g. Medicare, Medicaid, VA, and any insurane on the ACA exchanges).  Private insurance companies can do whatever they want, but I suspet even they'll push their enrollees to get vaccinated.  Hospitalizations are expensive.  The hospitalization rate for Covid is about 10% (higher if you're elderly) and is a massive taxpayer expense.  I certainly don't want my taxpayer dollars subsidizing the consequence of people's stupid decisions.

  13. 21 minutes ago, NEILwxbo said:

    The last several months have confirmed most of this country values capitalism over lives/quality of life, they’d rather save the stock market than give people another check 

    I think most of the country overwhelmingly supports another stimulus package, but the issue is the Senate.  Their priority lately is preserving power (filling vacant court seat, January runoff elections in GA) rather than passing something that helps people.

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  14. 5 minutes ago, nwohweather said:

    I’m absolutely tired of reading statements from the Treasury, media and politicians about how more stimulus is needed. Of course it’s a solution, but what are the repercussions of doing so? No one is really discussing this

    Nobody cares about the debt anymore.  Certainly not Republicans.  Neoliberalism and free market fundamentalism is dead.  Populism and big government is the wave of the future - in both parties.

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  15. 1 hour ago, South Shore Slop said:

    The decline in the number of positives match the decline in testing almost exactly. I suppose if your in lockdown, there is no need to go out for a test if you are only mildly sick...

     

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    If there is more disease in the community, the demand for testing goes up.  The converse is also true.  We saw this in the South during the summer.  The demand for testing skyrocketed in late May and June, which was a precursor to the summer wave down there.  In July and August, demand for testing rapidly went down.  Test sites were often empty.  This was because there were fewer sick people who were seeking out tests, i.e. less disease in the community.

  16. 2 hours ago, dta1984 said:

    “We are asking people to take a vaccine that is going to hurt,” said Dr. William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine and health policy at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. “There are lots of sore arms and substantial numbers of people who feel crummy, with headaches and muscle pain, for a day or two.”

    I had a tetanus booster shot recently and I felt ill for a couple days and my shoulder hurt like hell.  Doesn't mean I wouldn't get the shot again in ten years.

    Anti-vaxxers are dumb.

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  17. 5 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

    My God! This is the man advising the president on this pandemic. Totally irresponsible for someone in his position to post something like this

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    People did rise up.  They rose up and voted this administration out of office.

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  18. This pandemic has been a goldmine for the Libertarian dream of home schooling the masses.  The Mises Institute and Ron Paul Curriculum are making a boatload of money off this pandemic and peddling their home schooling products.  I used to know quite a few Libertarian activists. Sure, they'd espouse their usual neoliberal philosophies, but they were especially passionate -- and obsessed - with homeschooling.  One o them even started their own company with their own home schooling curriculum.  With every crisis comes opportunity, they say.

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