fujiwara79

Many people have left the workforce due to chronic covid issues.  It disproportionately affects women between the ages of 20 - 50, and in nearly all cases their acute covid illness was very mild, but chronic lingering symptoms afterward were much worse.  The business elites are actually more terrified of this because it could impact the labor force for years.

The medical community will probably gaslight these people, telling them it's "psychosomatic", just like they do for conditions like fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, or chronic lyme.  meanwhile, many of them will go on disability, even though they count as a "recovered" case in our casedemic. 

LOL @ the anti-maskers on this forum.  Looking forward to mask field reports again.  It was pretty obvious masks would come back; that's because the CDC new guidance from May made no sense.  we should find out what drove the CDC to go from one extreme (recommending masks outdoors, even for vaccinated) to the other opposite extreme (no masks needed anywhere) - all within the span of two weeks.  no doubt some chamber of commerce lobbying money was involved.

On 6/2/2021 at 3:44 PM, fujiwara79 said:

yes, this is probably true, but i would argue that seasonality plays a big part here.  the northern latitudes (northern US and europe) had low covid prevalence last summer - and that's without vaccines.  in fact, i would willing to bet that the positivity rates were < 1% in the new england states last summer.  seychelles and maldives are two of the most vaccinated countries in the world, yet they are having their biggest outbreaks right now.  vaccines help prevent serious outcomes, which should be the main point, but it wouldn't surprise me if mask mandates come back locally or regionally in the winter as prevalence rises again.

I predicted this more than a month ago and was weenie'd.  But now people are coming around to the idea that mask ordinances might come back.  LOL.  Told ya.

1 hour ago, DomNH said:

I don’t either but I think it is what it is and folks are not changing their minds. I’m vaccinated but personally could not care less if someone chooses not to. If they get sick and have a bad outcome that’s 100% on them at this point. 

Philosophically, that's true, but in reality many of voluntarily unvaxxed people that are currently hospitalized or in the ICU are getting their medical bills paid for by either the CARES act or the recent covid relief bill (especially if they are uninsured).  Instead of offering lottery tickets and cash prizes to get vaxxed, the federal government should instead stop subsidizing hospitalizations for these people.  Make the hospitals and insurance companies figure out how to pay for it.  If this happened, you'll start seeing insurance companies compel employers to require vaccines for their workforce.  Suddenly they'll realize that insurance companies are not as nice and coddling as the goobermint.

36 minutes ago, natedizel said:

Whats the point of living 1/3 of life. I rather not live at all. 

I would feel like an animal stuck in a cage 

yeah, I mean not being able to dine-in at applebees for a couple weeks is just brutal.  it's a human rights violation.  worse than gitmo.  worse than abu gharib.  the only thing that would make it worse is being asked to wear a mask.

39 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Or, it's just the PR ineptitude of American "intelligence" agencies.

The resurrection of the 'Wuhan lab leak' story in the media was because of an intelligence report that was "leaked" (pun intended) to the media about a month ago.  Now the intelligence agencies are supposed to conduct an investigation and come back with a report in 90 days (circa end of August).  The lemmings will believe whatever these intelligence reports say if it affirms their pre-conceived narrative.  Nothing is better for their funding apparatus than another cold war.

Just now, radarman said:

I'm not sure that article addresses natural immunity vs vaccine immunity.  And it doesn't even conclude that natural immunity is waning, just throws it out there as a possible explanation.  (1 of 4 possible explanations).  Even then calls that explanation "unlikely to fully explain resurgence".  Also, says later, "if resurgence in Manaus is due to waning of protective immunity, then similar resurgence scenarios should be expected in other locations", but we have not seen that here in the US, nor in Europe. etc.

Moreover they cite the NEJM study from 2020 suggesting 6 mo immunity and then talk about how in Manaus the period was 7-8 months so i.  But a subsequent June 2021 study shows at least 10 month immunity. 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanhl/article/PIIS2666-7568(21)00093-3/fulltext

I think the 'natural immunity' probably exists for one particular variant, but the resurgence occurs when new variants arise.  All the resurgences in areas with high seroprevalence were due to a new variant.  That tells you two things: 1) natural immunity is very narrow and doesn't exist for the entire variant spectrum; 2) this isn't like measles or chicken pox, where you get it once and then you're immune for life.

On 6/25/2021 at 1:13 PM, White Rain said:

I’m sorry but I do not believe a vaccine is better than natural immunity.  This goes against all conventional wisdom. Show me some real data 

tens of millions of people in brazil, south africa and india are evidence your "belief" in "conventional wisdom" is wrong.  not to mention that people get re-infected with other coronavirus all the time, so why would this particular 'Rona be different.

https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(21)00183-5/fulltext

37 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Missouri is bucking the national trend with covid.  They had their highest daily case number today since early February.  They are behind the national average in vaccinations, but still almost 40% of the state is fully vaxxed (that is 40% of all Missouri residents, not 40% of vaccine eligible).  Combine that with prior infections and now being in summer, it's "impressive" to see rising numbers.  The deck is stacked against it in multiple ways and it still found a way to happen.  

the vaccines aren't anywhere near 95% efficacious against these variants, but if they prevent serious illness then they're still doing their jobs.

israel just reinstituted their mask mandate and a lot of vaccinated people got infected.  the 'wild' form of the virus doesn't exist anymore.

3 hours ago, Brian5671 said:

I think COVID and his gross mismanagement of it took him down more than any opponent-no COVID economy is humming along-maybe he doesnt win bigly like he did in 2016 but I think he still would have carried it....

he was likely to lose regardless.  a general rule of thumb is that the incumbent needs to be at about 47% approval rating to have a reasonable chance of winning.  he was in the low 40s for practically his entire presidency, even when the economy was great.  he 'surged' to 45% in the closing weeks of the campaign, which made it closer, and the dems voluntarily handicapped themselves by not knocking on doors or doing in-person registration events because of covid (understandably so).  the only way to win with such low approval ratings is to have some third party candidates in the mix to siphon votes, or to have an equally unlikeable opponent, ala 2016.

5 hours ago, winterwx21 said:

Pretty much everyone rides with a helmet. It's just a basic safety thing that almost everyone does.

are you kidding me?  i've seen tons of people that ride motorcycles without helmets.  you live in jersey?  that's probably why.  i believe new jersey requires helmets by law.  not all states are like that.  the "muh freedumbz" crowd has always been adamantly against having states require motorcyclists wear helmets.  they were against seat belt laws back in the day too.

15 hours ago, PhineasC said:

I am wondering why you guys keep pinning this entirely on the rich fat cats when there is an entire consumer side of the equation that demands extremely low prices for luxury goods and will have a fit if those prices go up?

yes, we have a consumerist culture.  although I don't think it was always this way.  we used to have more of a savings culture, but low interest rates, free trade and no anti-trust enforcement changed that.  policy might have influenced culture or the other way around -- but the changes happened around the same time. 

8 hours ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

15 hours ago, fujiwara79 said:

not really.  over-reliance on "just in time" manufacturing is a much bigger problem if you act like the Covid closures weren’t the root cause of disrupting JIT

JIT is great for nominal conditions (no major wars, no pandemics, no massive natural disasters).  it's terrible for off-nominal conditions, like a pandemic, where they have no reliable means of predicting demand.  you may want to stick with dogecoin advice.

1 hour ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

Covid closures were the main culprit for supply chain disruptions 

not really.  over-reliance on "just in time" manufacturing is a much bigger reason.

1 hour ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

But that may mean CEOs and shareholders may actually have to make a little less millions and billions to make this change sustainable. 

Yeah, good luck with that.  zombie reaganites will fight tooth and nail to never let this happen.  after all, the sole purpose of a corporation is to maximize shareholder value (Friedman doctrine), and the sole objective of antitrust law is to minimize consumer prices (Robert Bork doctrine).  this toxic value system has been indoctrinated in our business schools since the 1980s and it's going to take a while to undo that.

15 hours ago, losetoa6 said:

In my travels ....Most businesses in northern Carroll county are 80 to 100% maskless.  South central Pa the same . Down in Cockeysville/ Hunt valley closer to Baltimore  I was the only person maskless in Royal farms, wawa, lowes . 99% still covered . Surprisingly up in Hagerstown was 80% -90 % + still covered . 

Still can't walk into most county permit offices to file for permits / zoning . Most are still stuck in March 2020 for some reason 

keep those mask fields reports coming!  Maybe we should set up a CoCoRaHS network for mask reporting. 

9 hours ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

https://summit.news/2021/06/04/scientist-at-center-of-lab-leak-controversy-put-in-charge-of-the-lancets-task-force-to-investigate-virus-origin/

The lancet is becoming embarrassing . Why are they so biased ...whittinsville... what are they protecting 

a biased website (summit news) reporting on a purportedly biased journal (lancet).  that about sums up our news ecosystem today.

12 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

A An anti-social guy raising a large family would definitely choose to live in these places.

Also, you clearly should consult a map next time before trolling. LOL

Fixed it for you.

16 hours ago, PhineasC said:

He’s big mad that the world is returning to normal and scared introverts will soon be viewed as weirdos again. 

LOL.  would a social animal voluntarily choose to live in randolph, NH, Kingsville MD or Milville DE?  you must really hate being around people.  keep projecting, bro.

always a pleasure to login and read the mask field reports!  I'm really sorry this wasn't the berlin wall coming down, or the V-J day times square moment, for the anti-mask ragers.  this surely means we are slipping and sliding on that slippery slope towards totalitarianism.  

18 hours ago, MJO812 said:

Still butthurt over the 2016 election ? Orange man bad ? 

 

it's very rare for an incumbent President to lose re-election, so I guess the american people must've thought the orange man was really, really bad.  it's time to move on, buddy.  

aww, he misses the orange demagogue.  so cute.

1 hour ago, ORH_wxman said:

Unvaxxed aren't supposed to be maskless yet here.

But playing devil's advocate, there's very little risk catching it from unvaxxed either going forward. It was different even a month ago. But like 3/4ths of adults are vaxxed here. Basically, if you wanted one, you have been able to get one for a while now. A vaxxed person has almost nothing to fear being in a grocery store with an unvaxxed person.

 

yes, this is probably true, but i would argue that seasonality plays a big part here.  the northern latitudes (northern US and europe) had low covid prevalence last summer - and that's without vaccines.  in fact, i would willing to bet that the positivity rates were < 1% in the new england states last summer.  seychelles and maldives are two of the most vaccinated countries in the world, yet they are having their biggest outbreaks right now.  vaccines help prevent serious outcomes, which should be the main point, but it wouldn't surprise me if mask mandates come back locally or regionally in the winter as prevalence rises again.

1 hour ago, Brian5671 said:

if there's a sign on the door saying the vaccinated don't need a mask and I'm fully vaccinated why would I wear a mask?

i don't think you read my post carefully.  I said if you're unvaxxed, and you knowingly don't wear a mask after you read the sign at the door, you are also virtue signaling.  

2 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said:

You know, virtue signaling is a risk - because virtue is subjective?  To those outside a given "ethical interpretation of propriety," that VS cozy euphemism becomes more like 'low-key gaslighting' - you know,  guilt trip? - whether the mask wearer intends for that or not.

yes, virtue is subjective.  unvaxxed people who aren't wearing masks in stores are also virtue signaling.  their virtue is "the gubmint" can't tell them what to do.  unfortunately we have to smell their halitosis while their virtue is signaled.