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Devastating tornado strikes Joplin, Missouri

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Joplin High School Demolition started today after delays due to a a flooded basement and asbestos abatement. Still waiting on the hospital demolition due to asbestos issues.

Pics from KZRG:
[url="http://www.facebook.com/NewsTalkKZRG"]http://www.facebook.com/NewsTalkKZRG[/url]

[img]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/405418_10150628984260209_93286195208_9156359_9226278_n.jpg[/img]

[img]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/394077_10150628986720209_93286195208_9156370_307230785_n.jpg[/img]

[img]http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/426276_10150628987305209_93286195208_9156373_71132909_n.jpg[/img]

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[quote name='JoMo' timestamp='1329521036' post='1383507']
Joplin High School Demolition started today after delays due to a a flooded basement and asbestos abatement. Still waiting on the hospital demolition due to asbestos issues.

Pics from KZRG:
[url="http://www.facebook.com/NewsTalkKZRG"]http://www.facebook.com/NewsTalkKZRG[/url]

[img]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/405418_10150628984260209_93286195208_9156359_9226278_n.jpg[/img]

[img]http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/394077_10150628986720209_93286195208_9156370_307230785_n.jpg[/img]

[img]http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/426276_10150628987305209_93286195208_9156373_71132909_n.jpg[/img]
[/quote]

I take it you went to high school there? That has to be surreal to see that being torn down.

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[quote name='cyclone77' timestamp='1329545637' post='1384996']
I take it you went to high school there? That has to be surreal to see that being torn down.
[/quote]

The entire experience since the tornado has been surreal, lol

I lost my elementary school, middle school, high school and you can count Franklin Tech as a different school I guess. My senior year had a lot of classes over there. It's still weird seeing all the changes, after the hospital is gone, it will look even more different.

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Joplin CVB has decided to stop printing the 'tornado tours' maps.

'[color=#000000][font=Georgia,]Tuttle says the agency has run out of the maps at some locations, and the visitors bureau board has decided to hold off reprinting them. Maybe it will be revised for the one-year anniversary, and maybe it will be a different map that reflects a different moment in Joplin.' [/font][/color]

[url="http://www.latimes.com/travel/la-tr-disaster-20120219,1,6583307.story"]http://www.latimes.c...1,6583307.story[/url]


Joplin tornado siren policy will be discussed at the city council meeting tomorrow. They won't say what changes they are making though until the meeting.
[url="http://www.newstalkkzrg.com/Joplin-Siren-Policy-To-Be-Discussed/12323487"]http://www.newstalkk...cussed/12323487[/url]



KSPR's coverage on Zachary Williams is up for an award.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SmRrJGv3F8[/media]

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Don't think this vid has been posted yet. Kind of a different perspective from south of the tornado. The vid owner said he lives just south of Charlies Chicken, which I checked and is on E32nd street. The tornado missed him by several blocks to the north.

At the beginning of the video it looks pretty benign, but after about the 1:40 mark you start to see power flashes to the west-northwest. By the end of the video there's multiple power flashes, and a faint roar can be heard to the distant west. You can also see the RFD core heading right at them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl63MyzzLHQ&feature=related

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It stills boggle me..

At the end of the video, the girl says ,in reference to the tor sirens, "and now they're turning them off? Well, I'm not sure if they keep them on the whole time".


A severe lack of education on emergency procedures from the govt level To the general population.(all levels, state, local mostly). I mean, you live in the heart of tornado alley, how isn't everyone educated ? It's mind blowing. I know not everybody can be fully informed on these procedures, but c'mon!

Sorry for the rant, just something I wanted to discuss.

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[quote name='irishbri74' timestamp='1329883468' post='1395836']
It stills boggle me..

At the end of the video, the girl says ,in reference to the tor sirens, "and now they're turning them off? Well, I'm not sure if they keep them on the whole time".


A severe lack of education on emergency procedures from the govt level To the general population.(all levels, state, local mostly). I mean, you live in the heart of tornado alley, how isn't everyone educated ? It's mind blowing. I know not everybody can be fully informed on these procedures, but c'mon!

Sorry for the rant, just something I wanted to discuss.
[/quote]

I thought they would leave them on the entire time a tornado was on the ground as well. By the time they stopped activating the 2nd time (3 minutes) it was near the high school, about halfway through the city. I think leaving them on would amplify the seriousness of the warning.

You have to remember, the sirens are activated here a lot, I think around 6 times a year for tornado warnings and usually nothing happens.

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Ok second try...Joplin's siren policy was changed tonight.

Fire Chief Mitch Randles said this which is what I've been saying all along:

[b][color=#000000][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]"People hear the sirens during the testing and the other warnings and they get desensitized to those sirens. So what we're trying to do by limiting the number of testings is to limit the number of times people hear the sirens to only when they need to take cover."[/size][/font][/color][/b]


Tests will be conducted on the first and third Mondays of the month instead of every week like they were before.

2 sirens will be replaced and 16 upgraded with mobile activation technology, solar panels, and silent testing technology.

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[quote name='JoMo' timestamp='1329884785' post='1395888']
Ok second try...Joplin's siren policy was changed tonight.

Fire Chief Mitch Randles said this which is what I've been saying all along:

[b][color=#000000][font=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=3]"People hear the sirens during the testing and the other warnings and they get desensitized to those sirens. So what we're trying to do by limiting the number of testings is to limit the number of times people hear the sirens to only when they need to take cover."[/size][/font][/color][/b]


Tests will be conducted on the first and third Mondays of the month instead of every week like they were before.

2 sirens will be replaced and 16 upgraded with mobile activation technology, solar panels, and silent testing technology.
[/quote]

No word on activating the sirens more than once for a tornado warning?

I wonder what the solar panels are used for. Probably not the siren batteries, but for the new equipment to power a reserve battery so the sirens can still be activated from the EMA if the power is out.

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[quote name='foster' timestamp='1329946911' post='1397556']

No word on activating the sirens more than once for a tornado warning?

I wonder what the solar panels are used for. Probably not the siren batteries, but for the new equipment to power a reserve battery so the sirens can still be activated from the EMA if the power is out.
[/quote]

Still a 3 minute activation, however, if 10 minutes have passed between the last activation and the storm still has not arrived, they can blow them again for 3 minutes. They will also be able to activate them individually or in groups. They are going to start testing them individually on Feb 27th and silent testing will begin in the summer.

The solar panels are to charge the batteries if there is a loss of power.

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[quote name='JoMo' timestamp='1329948288' post='1397610']

Still a 3 minute activation, however, if 10 minutes have passed between the last activation and the storm still has not arrived, they can blow them again for 3 minutes. They will also be able to activate them individually or in groups. They are going to start testing them individually on Feb 27th and silent testing will begin in the summer.

The solar panels are to charge the batteries if there is a loss of power.
[/quote]

Great news. Also, that sounds like they may be zoning them into areas that would go off if that area is in the warning polygon.

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Don't know if this video has been posted yet. My best guess by the comments of the people in it is that it was shot southwest of St. Johns as the tornado approached the hospital. It really gives you an idea of how amorphous this thing looked like if you were on the wrong side of the rain curtain.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9KJMmjGc50&feature=related[/media]

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Amazing videos still continue to be found regarding the Joplin Tornado. JoMO, any word on the new sirens that are going to be installed...will they be the "talking" kind, or just the regular outdoor warning sirens from Federal?

Bryan

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[quote name='GeneralBT' timestamp='1330013438' post='1399547']
Don't know if this video has been posted yet. My best guess by the comments of the people in it is that it was shot southwest of St. Johns as the tornado approached the hospital. It really gives you an idea of how amorphous this thing looked like if you were on the wrong side of the rain curtain.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9KJMmjGc50&feature=related[/media]
[/quote]

That is one I had not seen. I'm not sure exactly where that is. The comments say they were 0.4 miles east of the hospital, but I'm not sure about that. I am compiling a list of tornado videos (pre or during) that I'll post sometime.


[quote name='BryanB' timestamp='1330022210' post='1399928']
Amazing videos still continue to be found regarding the Joplin Tornado. JoMO, any word on the new sirens that are going to be installed...will they be the "talking" kind, or just the regular outdoor warning sirens from Federal?

Bryan
[/quote]

I think it's just the Federal ones that are upgraded with solar panels and remote activation and silent testing. The one of here by me that was replaced after the tornado definitely has the remote activation and solar panel on it.

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New video uploaded Feb 15th. This is over by the high school.This is similar to the gas station video. It does appear a gust front hits the area first before the tornado arrives and there is such a long duration of destruction.

THERE IS A LOT OF CUSSING ON HERE.... but.... wow.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZvo39XT8bk[/media]

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[quote name='JoMo' timestamp='1330062501' post='1402196']
New video uploaded Feb 15th. This is over by the high school.This is similar to the gas station video. It does appear a gust front hits the area first before the tornado arrives and there is such a long duration of destruction.

THERE IS A LOT OF CUSSING ON HERE.... but.... wow.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZvo39XT8bk[/media]
[/quote]

The one thing I always find so eerie about these immediate aftermath videos...is there is never another person in sight.

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[quote name='foster' timestamp='1330067388' post='1402319']

The one thing I always find so eerie about these immediate aftermath videos...is there is never another person in sight.
[/quote]

Like this one taken by the apartment complexes on 20th.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_kEDXHP-cU[/media]

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[quote name='JoMo' timestamp='1330068612' post='1402330']

Like this one taken by the apartment complexes on 20th.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_kEDXHP-cU[/media]
[/quote]

He even says it. Right in the middle of the city and not a person or sign of life anywhere. I'd think people would be screaming and crawling out of debris assembling in the streets. It somewhat gives the illusion that "everyone is gone". Must have been absolutely hell.

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[quote name='JoMo' timestamp='1330062501' post='1402196']
New video uploaded Feb 15th. This is over by the high school.This is similar to the gas station video. It does appear a gust front hits the area first before the tornado arrives and there is such a long duration of destruction.

THERE IS A LOT OF CUSSING ON HERE.... but.... wow.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZvo39XT8bk[/media]
[/quote]

Scary vid to be sure.

What I don't get though is the same person in the above vid also posted this one..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX3Dluy04QY&feature=channel

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First Person Video in House...sure was an amazing video to see. The sounds was incredible...and I'm sure it didn't even do it justice. Where the house was located...what damage was estimated to occur in that area?

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Ok, I have mapped a lot of the videos in this thread and some I have found. These are shortly before, during, or shortly after the tornado stationary videos. I know I am probably missing many, and there's another that was filmed at the KSN studio parking lot that I can't find but I know exists. If you have found a new video, let me know and I'll add it to the map.

Thanks to those that posted them and cyclone77 for finding the location to several of these.

These videos are videos from youtube, they may have cussing in them.

The map is 2 parts, it basically divides the path in half. Part 1.

[attachment=58529:map1final2.jpg]


1. KSN-TV TowerCam (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=yDOLjlzQYSs"]youtube.com/watch?v=yDOLjlzQYSs[/url]

2. Cedar Ridge: (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=kSj_DBRLbFY"]youtube.com/watch?v=kSj_DBRLbFY[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W86s_KNbSGs"]youtube.com/watch?v=W86s_KNbSGs[/url]

3. Cedar Ridge 2: (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=35oYv0KhhjQ"]youtube.com/watch?v=35oYv0KhhjQ[/url]

4. 24th and Schiff: (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=LemtsadVrCM"]youtube.com/watch?v=LemtsadVrCM[/url]

0.4 miles East of St. Johns:
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=v9KJMmjGc50&"]youtube.com/watch?v=v9KJMmjGc50&[/url]

Parking Garage...Down at 6th and Main or so.

[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=l1gVo33ep1I"]youtube.com/watch?v=l1gVo33ep1I[/url]
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=IArCQD-Eiwo"]youtube.com/watch?v=IArCQD-Eiwo[/url]

This is unmarked because I don't know the location but it shows the start of the tornado:
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=xAm1jHL8GIU"]youtube.com/watch?v=xAm1jHL8GIU[/url]

Unknown:
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=nF15AUqaNZA"]youtube.com/watch?v=nF15AUqaNZA[/url]

Also Unknown but it's 4 city blocks from the edge of the tornado:
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=wQHNx0WjXYQ"]youtube.com/watch?v=wQHNx0WjXYQ[/url]

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Ok, I have mapped a lot of the videos in this thread and some I have found. These are shortly before, during, or shortly after the tornado stationary videos. I know I am probably missing many, and there's another that was filmed at the KSN studio parking lot that I can't find but I know exists. If you have found a new video, let me know and I'll add it to the map.

Thanks to those that posted them and cyclone77 for finding the location to several of these.

These videos are videos from youtube, they may have cussing in them.

The map is 2 parts, it basically divides the path in half. Part 2. The numbers came out weird after uploading, but they generally go from left to right on the map.


[attachment=58530:map2final2.jpg]


5. 27th Minnesota. (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=OrnRSSHz4dU"]youtube.com/watch?v=OrnRSSHz4dU[/url]
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=VdM3WqIn08Y"]youtube.com/watch?v=VdM3WqIn08Y[/url]
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=KQO5lgLm5Gs"]youtube.com/watch?v=KQO5lgLm5Gs[/url]


*UPDATED* March 4th 2012.....
[left]S Minnesota Ave & E 24th St, right next to the High School.[/left]
:
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=bZvo39XT8bk"]youtube.com/watch?v=bZvo39XT8bk[/url]

6. Joplin High School: (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=zQQqX5ln4vs"]youtube.com/watch?v=zQQqX5ln4vs[/url]

7. 17th and Indiana: (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=HwTV3WA_M_k"]youtube.com/watch?v=HwTV3WA_M_k[/url]


8. 20th Rhode Island: (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=h_kEDXHP-cU"]youtube.com/watch?v=h_kEDXHP-cU[/url]

9. Charlie's Chicken area: (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xl63MyzzLHQ&"]youtube.com/watch?v=Xl63MyzzLHQ&[/url]

10. Freightliner (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=smfPB7EILoA"]youtube.com/watch?v=smfPB7EILoA[/url]

7th and Rangeline:
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=FOORdviL5pE"]youtube.com/watch?v=FOORdviL5pE[/url]

11. Wal-Mart 15th Rangeline: (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=gZCJttGoghM"]youtube.com/watch?v=gZCJttGoghM[/url]
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=ChcpkwS_hz4"]youtube.com/watch?v=ChcpkwS_hz4[/url]

12. Apartments: (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=1GLN6DFWbLE"]youtube.com/watch?v=1GLN6DFWbLE[/url]


13. Fastrip video: (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=cQnvxJZucds"]youtube.com/watch?v=cQnvxJZucds[/url]

14. Duquense: (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=fo81EQN98Oo"]youtube.com/watch?v=fo81EQN98Oo[/url]

15. East Middle School: (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=64covicCcIY"]youtube.com/watch?v=64covicCcIY[/url]

16 .Con-Way truck bay. (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=ex2jUTdnHzY"]youtube.com/watch?v=ex2jUTdnHzY[/url]
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3lIS1Ktx0"]youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3lIS1Ktx0[/url]
*new* 3/27/2012... [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF4YmL4MXlc"]youtube.com/watch?v=IF4YmL4MXlc[/url]

Other Con-Way: (Marked)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=WCNj24Shho0"]youtube.com/watch?v=WCNj24Shho0[/url]

17. 18-wheeler (Marked but uncertain of actual location)
[url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=TcUkArSFiIc"]youtube.com/watch?v=TcUkArSFiIc[/url]

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JoMo,
Thanks again for all your hard work with follow ups keeping us all informed of all the progress that is going on in Joplin. I still look at all those videos in amazement and keep all the people in Joplin in my prayers. I believe that had to be the #1 weather event in 2011. I know there were many other tragic tornados, but that Joplin tornado was a beast! Take care..

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AMS has put their recorded presentations up. This is the Joplin session:

[url="http://ams.confex.com/ams/92Annual/webprogram/Session29800.html"]http://ams.confex.com/ams/92Annual/webprogram/Session29800.html[/url]


A couple of inaccuracies in Tim Marshalls concrete presentation are....

The 'bowling alley' was actually the Salvation Army thrift store.
The High School has always had graduation (for at least the last 10-15 years) at the Leggett and Platt Athletic Center ( at MSSU college campus)


Overall, Tim Marshalls was the most interesting presentation, the others were kind of a let down since there were people filling in for others.

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[quote name='JoMo' timestamp='1330371496' post='1410101']
...Overall, Tim Marshalls was the most interesting presentation, the others were kind of a let down since there were people filling in for others.
[/quote]

Yeah his presentation was very interesting. His perspective/evaluation of the structural failures from an engineering standpoint was quite eye opening. A lot of structures failed under relatively low wind loads. The Franklin Tech building especially. I remember seeing some before photos of that building, and it appeared to be a very strong, well built building. Tim's survey revealed some interesting/startling weaknesses in the structure of that facility.

After Tim's presentation he answered a few questions from the audience. One question brought up the impact on how much debris loading had on structural integrity. Also, the extreme amount of debris swirling in the large tornado no doubt contributed to the accelerated failure of structures that may not have failed, or failed as quickly without the aid of added wind-blown debris. Such a large tornado moving over a densely populated location will no doubt lead to greater damage than would normally be expected relative to wind velocity, as the added debris will surely aid in damage/wind load on structures within the circulation. All of that could conceivably open a big can of worms on how much debris loading in an urban environment can impact EF-scale values in a positive direction, but in the end all that really matters to most is the damage the tornado does (EF scale damage).

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