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POSSIBLE MAJOR EAST COAST LOW OCT 31- NOV 2 -- it is back


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 yes yes I know  the 0z OCT 25  op  ECMWF  is   kind of  extreme and outlier. BUT   given how the   euro  nailed the   new England  Long Island NYC  Noreaster  earlier in the week  from 192 hours  out .... and  given how  the  euro  ens  do show some support  and the 0z   CMC   and GFS  seem to be moving Towards the  Euro...  well    time to  wake  up

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 Um   .. that  bias ONLY  exists for the   sw     cutoff lows  ..It does not exist  for the   500 Low over the eastern US.

  Also  IF the  ridge over the  Rockies is  truly that  massive  the  euro  could be right 

Eh...We all know the Euro likes cutting ULLs off too far South and East. It'll probably trend north and west overtime...if we even get a cut off.

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Um .. that bias ONLY exists for the sw cutoff lows ..It does not exist for the 500 Low over the eastern US.

Also IF the ridge over the Rockies is truly that massive the euro could be right

Just a few weeks ago we saw the same SE ULL cut off solution when they had the severe outbreak across the South. It trended NW with time. So it's not just with SW U.S. ULL solutions.
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There are some big differences between the Euro and other globals too. The ridge in the west is much less amplified on GFS and CMC solutions.

I personally think this thread is a bit premature considering it doesn't have much support from other globals and it's only after one run of the Euro.

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 again   I have to  disagree.. the   0z  cmc  and GFS  are   big steps closer  to the    0z  euro  idea  when  you  compared  to to  previous runs... you     DID  look at  previous   GFS  runs  right ?

 

There are some big differences between the Euro and other globals too. The ridge in the west is much less amplified on GFS and CMC solutions.

I personally think this thread is a bit premature considering it doesn't have much support from other globals and it's only after one run of the Euro.

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12z GFS  closes off the low over maine. I'd say cutoff somewhere between Georgia and main a good bet.

 

I don't see blocking to the northeast of the storm too force it to cut off in any particular spot, this is just as hard if not harder to forecast 7 days in advance than a winter setup. 

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Wrote up a discussion re this possibility in the New England subforum, in the October thread. 

 

The idea certainly has merit in my mind.  Though the analytic technique may be different, the result points to the same conclusion:  There is a recent trend that is converging on a negative geopotential anomaly, if perhaps transient in nature, to pass through centered on the OV, MA, NE regions - D6-9  

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Extratropical Ana is going to throw a wrench in all the guidance until that energy/5H short wave is accurately modeled.

 

Fantastic point!   You can actually trace the Ana dynamics back in time and see that it originates with her... 

 

This is a two stream phase scenario, where Ana's S/W remnants weaken the resistance and induces the polar stream to dive to where it subsumes in the TV region (or thereabouts...) The two then have a lewd party somewhere between the Apps and EC...

 

That's the gist of the more amp solutions ... but that whole interplay is excessively complex; what exactly comes of it is rather difficult to assess so early in the game.  

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168 to 192 the storm moves 300 miles due west. It would top Sandy was far as sharp left turns go.  And probably snow mixing in in Richmond.  Craziest solution I've seen so far this year.

 

Discussing details at this time frame has about as much worth as running naked backward through an Ebola ward ... but, having said that, I don't think that's really what is going on between those two panels.  

 

Obviously others on the board have paid products and can see the runs more discretely, but that actually looks like an abandoned center seaward and a new cyclogenesis closer to the deep layer forcing more centric to better trough mechanics 

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Discussing details at this time frame has about as much worth as running naked backward through an Ebola ward ... but, having said that, I don't think that's really what is going on between those two panels.  

 

Obviously others on the board have paid products and can see the runs more discretely, but that actually looks like an abandoned center seaward and a new cyclogenesis closer to the deep layer forcing more centric to better trough mechanics

This is probably a more accurate depiction than what amped thought. 24 hour lapse frames can be misleading.

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Discussing details at this time frame has about as much worth as running naked backward through an Ebola ward ... but, having said that, I don't think that's really what is going on between those two panels.  

 

Obviously others on the board have paid products and can see the runs more discretely, but that actually looks like an abandoned center seaward and a new cyclogenesis closer to the deep layer forcing more centric to better trough mechanics 

Yeah probably 2 different storms. That actually happens a lot with Miller As, the ULL forms a second low when it hits the coast.

Plausible, but tough to duplicate solution.

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Kory it is hard to say where how far south the ULL will drop... in between 24 hr panels.... looking at the pay euro sites its not much different. Euro is locking onto something Significant... big snows for Appalachian poss Shenandoah valley

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Kory it is hard to say where how far south the ULL will drop... in between 24 hr panels.... looking at the pay euro sites its not much different. Euro is locking onto something Significant... big snows for Appalachian poss Shenandoah valley

Still a week away...WAY too soon to be pinpointing "big snows" for certain areas.
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12z euro ensembles show little support for the op. Individual members showing a storm are in the minority and those that do are east. Small cluster of 1k+/- mb lows a good bit off the nc/delmarva coast.

Still a ways out but I was hoping for a better ensemble run.

DT not saying your wrong, but haven't you always said that if the ensembles don't agree with it's op run, it means the op run is usually incorrect?

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 Yes I have often said that..,  at the  time I made this post ..saturday morning the 0z euro ensemble  were much closer to the  0z   operational     run of the  ECMWF

 

DT not saying your wrong, but haven't you always said that if the ensembles don't agree with it's op run, it means the op run is usually incorrect?

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