IsentropicLift Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 But not a snowboard on the ground. No, and I'm not saying it was an exact scientific measurement, but if he measured 4" on the railing how far off could he be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 No, and I'm not saying it was an exact scientific measurement, but if he measured 4" on the railing how far off could he be? Depends on where it was in relation to the house. If you haven't already, you should view the snow measurement video the NWS put together a while ago. Its on YouTube and is primarily narrated by the director of the CoCoRaHS program. Start at 4 minutes for why decks are bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Depends on where it was in relation to the house. If you haven't already, you should view the snow measurement video the NWS put together a while ago. Its on YouTube and is primarily narrated by the director of the CoCoRaHS program. Start at 4 minutes for why decks are bad. The measurement he made on the deck railing was pretty close to what he received in his yard, eyeballing it. Don't we have any other posters in Hewitt or the Warwick area that can verify this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 The measurement he made on the deck railing was pretty close to what he received in his yard, eyeballing it. Don't we have any other posters in Hewitt or the Warwick area that can verify this? Glancing through the CoCoRaHS reports, no one reported more than an inch in NJ, though there weren't any observations from northwestern Passaic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 April snow is great - you wake up to it on the ground (we even had some accums on car tops and planters etc, super impressed) and by 11am it feels warm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Glancing through the CoCoRaHS reports, no one reported more than an inch in NJ, though there weren't any observations from northwestern Passaic. Hewitt is I believe the highest point in Passaic County. It borders Vernon to the west and Warwick, NY to the northeast. It's a few hundred feet higher in elevation than the rest of West Milford Township. In fact, a few times I have experienced rain in the center of town while it was snowing or freezing rain up in Hewitt. They have received some nasty ice storms over the years up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 The measurement he made on the deck railing was pretty close to what he received in his yard, eyeballing it. Don't we have any other posters in Hewitt or the Warwick area that can verify this? Eye (I) like the eyeballing method. Gets some great totals that way. Almost as good as the PDOOMA method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Depends on where it was in relation to the house. If you haven't already, you should view the snow measurement video the NWS put together a while ago. Its on YouTube and is primarily narrated by the director of the CoCoRaHS program. Start at 4 minutes for why decks are bad. This is not the latest guideline, is it? Otherwise, I under-measured slightly this winter. I.e., the day in late February when we had two separate accumulating snow showers. In the video it says to sum the maximum accumulation from each separate snow shower. They are pretty clear that measuring new snowfall as the greatest new depth over a 24 hour period is optimal, but still leave room for wiping a board as often as every 6 hours. I think this is outdated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 This is not the latest guideline, is it? Otherwise, I under-measured slightly this winter. I.e., the day in late February when we had two separate accumulating snow showers. In the video it says to sum the maximum accumulation from each separate snow shower. They are pretty clear that measuring new snowfall as the greatest new depth over a 24 hour period is optimal, but still leave room for wiping a board as often as every 6 hours. I think this is outdated. Correct, this was originally made for the earlier regulations. That said, the points about siting are still completely valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Long range Euro is continuing to go to a pattern where troughs continually dig into the Northeast. Hopefully the idea of building ridging into Greenland is wrong, because if not we're in backdoor-city for quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weathergun Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 This weekend and early next week look nice. 0z Euro has 70+ away from the shore, ahead of the cold front on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Correct, this was originally made for the earlier regulations. That said, the points about siting are still completely valid. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weathergun Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Upton posted this on their facebook page. ISP and LGA had their latest measurable snows recorded yesterday: At Islip, NY (official climate location), 0.2" of snow fell on the morning of April 16. This becomes the latest measurable snow (0.1" or greater) since records began at this location in 1984. The previous was April 10, 1996 with 4". At LaGuardia, NY (official climate location), 0.2" of snow also fell on the morning of April 16. This becomes the latest measurable snow (0.1" or greater) since records began at this location in 1945. The previous was April 15, 2014 with 0.1", which also broke the record of 0.3" on April 14, 1950. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 40 and cloudy here. Winter like day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Hmmm... apparently all the climate sites (EWR, LGA, JFK, ISP, BDR) except Central Park had measurable snow Tuesday night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Hmmm... apparently all the climate sites (EWR, LGA, JFK, ISP, BDR) except Central Park had measurable snow Tuesday night... Clearly all the trees blocked the snow from reaching the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncat Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Only reached 47 here today after low this morning of 32... impressive pressure of 30.70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Hmmm... apparently all the climate sites (EWR, LGA, JFK, ISP, BDR) except Central Park had measurable snow Tuesday night... What a joke. Not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Clearly all the trees blocked the snow from reaching the ground Must have been all the palm trees and their warming influence on the soils. We are, after all, in a subtropical climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Must have been all the palm trees and their warming influence on the soils. We are, after all, in a subtropical climate. According to NUMEROUS gov't agencies and climatologists, we are in that zone. According to the US Dept of Energy's Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, we are in a climate zone that stretches from Northern GA to the immediate NYC metro and Long Island: https://energycode.pnl.gov/EnergyCodeReqs/index.jsp?state=Georgia https://energycode.pnl.gov/EnergyCodeReqs/index.jsp?state=New%20York According to the Koppen classification system, we are in the Cfa (humid subtropical) zone because our coldest month's mean temp is between -3C and 18C. We squarely fit into that, as our avg Jan temp is 0.5C. Y'all can joke all ya want, but take it up with Koppen if you disagree. Oh wait, he died 74 years ago. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 According to NUMEROUS gov't agencies and climatologists, we are in that zone. According to the US Dept of Energy's Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, we are in a climate zone that stretches from Northern GA to the immediate NYC metro and Long Island: https://energycode.pnl.gov/EnergyCodeReqs/index.jsp?state=Georgia https://energycode.pnl.gov/EnergyCodeReqs/index.jsp?state=New%20York According to the Koppen classification system, we are in the Cfa (humid subtropical) zone because our coldest month's mean temp is between -3C and 18C. We squarely fit into that, as our avg Jan temp is 0.5C. Y'all can joke all ya want, but take it up with Koppen if you disagree. Oh wait, he died 74 years ago. Sorry. Maybe we can find his grave and plant a nice thick palmetto on top of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Further to that point, I'd say with some minor exceptions, the immediate NYC proper is squarely in this zone, especially when it comes to nighttime temps. Temps in winter infrequently dip below 25F (winters like this being a glaring exception), and the growing season is much longer than in areas with similar latitudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Low 40s here all day with clouds. Nasty day. I have my heat on and it's been on all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Further to that point, I'd say with some minor exceptions, the immediate NYC proper is squarely in this zone, especially when it comes to nighttime temps. Temps in winter infrequently dip below 25F (winters like this being a glaring exception), and the growing season is much longer than in areas with similar latitudes.Says the boy from Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will - Rutgers Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 There have been some pretty dumb arguments on this forum but whether or not we are a subtropical climate might be the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Says the boy from Virginia He's got a point, the differences though from the immediate metro to just beyond can be quite dramatic especially with nighttime temps and the growing season. The UHI has a dramatic effect with this obviously. How many times can temps be around 30F in the city and in the teens or lower just outside, it's crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 He's got a point, the differences though from the immediate metro to just beyond can be quite dramatic especially with nighttime temps and the growing season. The UHI has a dramatic effect with this obviously. How many times can temps be around 30F in the city and in the teens or lower just outside, it's crazy. Going strictly by the Koppen climate scheme, this is not correct. I think many of us know how well Somerville likes to radiate, but its January normal, which is considerably colder than NYC's, is still only -1.7C which still places it within the -3 to +18C zone. I wouldn't say its "well within" and I wouldn't say that Koppen was all that well thought out (-3 to +18 is a huge range), but based strictly on Koppen, the city and most burbs are Humid Sub-tropical. The closest airports with normals below -3C in January would appear to be Sussex/Andover in Jersey, Poughkeepsie in New York, and Danbury in Connecticut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Well then the problem is probably the huge temperature range as -3 to +18C is a massive spread. Perhaps introducing other categories to shorten those ranges or just shortening the ranges without introducing more categories could be more useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEXtreme Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Low 40s here all day with clouds. Nasty day. I have my heat on and it's been on all day.According to some high temps for Wed, Thurs and Fri, weren't supposed be no lower then the mid 50's ...lmao.Another shot is likely by next weekend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 He's got a point, the differences though from the immediate metro to just beyond can be quite dramatic especially with nighttime temps and the growing season. The UHI has a dramatic effect with this obviously. How many times can temps be around 30F in the city and in the teens or lower just outside, it's crazy. At least over the last 30 years of winters, some locations around the Northeast than can radiate under the right conditions are warming much faster than NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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